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Mike Webb Interview: How To Write The 2027 MotoGP Rules So The Factories Won't Find Ways To Cheat

By David Emmett | Fri, 21/Jun/2024 - 22:26

After many long months of negotiation and analysis, the FIM and Dorna presented the technical rules for MotoGP due to be introduced in 2027. A capacity reduction to 850cc, a reduction in maximum bore size to 75mm, a ban on ride-height devices and further restrictions on aerodynamics are meant to reduce top speeds and give MotoGP circuits some breathing room, to slow the rate of progress.

Will it work? The history of MotoGP rule changes is that new restrictions tend to turbocharge innovation, as engineers try to find ways around the new rules put in place to obstruct them. So the task ahead of MotoGP's rule writers - Director of Technology Corrado Cecchinelli, ably assisted by Race Director Mike Webb and one or two other Dorna and IRTA staff - is to phrase the rules in such a way to prevent MotoGP engineers from driving a coach and horses through them.

In an interview I did with Corrado Cecchinelli for the Paddock Pass Podcast, he explained the ideas and concepts behind the new rules. Cecchinelli told me he defines the concepts he wants the rules to control, in agreement with the manufacturers who make up the MSMA [Motorcycle Sports Manufacturers' Association], and then Mike Webb turns those into the text to be included in the FIM Technical Regulations.

To find out more about how Mike Webb approaches writing rules as specifically as possible, without opening the door to factory engineers exploiting the loopholes accidentally left open, I spoke to the MotoGP race director at Barcelona. We talked about the process of agreeing rules with the MSMA, how trying to be very specific about definitions can inadvertently open more loopholes than it closes, how rules are policed on the ground, and the lessons learned from the explosion of aerodynamics inside MotoGP.

Q: What process do you go through turning a concept such as static height to ban ride-height devices into a set of words that engineers will have a great deal of difficulty in getting around?

Mike Webb: Going back some years, I was Technical Director and writing those rules, and trying to do it from a non-engineering point of view and writing vague concepts. It's changed now, where we've got Corrado on board, who's an actual engineer, and what he'll do is, in something like this... a lot of the technical regulations now have got his signature on it, if you like. You can see real precise technical engineering knowledge.

So, especially for ride-height devices, aero, all of those sections are more or less written by Corrado. He'll send it to me in a raw form of engineering English, if you like. And all I do is tidy that into English that is clear in its meaning for non-English speakers. Because the vast majority of the paddock are not native English speakers.

So I all I do is make it a bit easier to read, keeping the engineering concepts in there. So, technical regulations, it's a lot of Corrado's input into that as an engineer. Sporting regulations, that's basically me, because it's not an engineering thing.

And what we have to use a lot, is the really simple sentence at the bottom of almost every technical regulation, "in case of dispute, the technical director's opinion will be final".

So Danny [Aldridge, MotoGP Technical Director and in charge of ensuring that the technical rules are complied with - DE] in consultation with Corrado will write, outside of the rule book, a set of guidelines. They're not in the rule book because the wording is not precise enough, but this is what we mean with aero, and the meaning is we don't want you to do this, or on ride height, this means the target is this.

It's a guideline that the manufacturers all get, and he can change that during the year. Because rules need the Grand Prix Commission to change them and that's fairly unwieldy, but guidelines can be updated going to say, OK, that's the rule, but this is what we mean...

Q: Which is a bit like what we saw with the clutches with Aprilia and KTM, which were banned at Phillip Island last year?

MW: That's exactly that. Because it was a loophole we hadn't closed. And that's where the guidelines are going. If we can see a loophole and say, oh, that's not in the technical regulations as written, and because we've got this understanding with the MSMA that we can't just change technical regulations overnight, because there's so much lead time, what we can do is in the guidelines is explain that the interpretation of that rule is we don't want this. So for example, from this event onward or this date onward, we're going to clamp down on that.

Q: So the MSMA have input into the Grand Prix Commission [MotoGP's rule making body - DE]...

MW: Big time, yeah...

Q: So Corrado would have gone to to the MSMA and said, we want to ban ride-height devices. Would the MSMA come back with yes or no, or would they come back with, this is how we want to see it implemented?

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Great commentary

larryt4114
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9 months ago
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Stuff like that is why I love your site, Mr. Emmett! 

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Weight

rick650
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9 months ago
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Is the weight limit being reduced for the 850s?

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In reply to Weight by rick650

Dropping 4kg to 153kg.

WaveyD1974
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9 months ago
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Dropping 4kg to 153kg.

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153kg?

funsize
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9 months ago
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My admittedly ancient 1980 Moto Morini ‘3 1/2’ 350 was considered a nimble giant killer back in the day. Still rides nice and I can use all of the 33-36 bhp most of the time:the weight? 145kg 🤷🏻‍♂️

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In reply to 153kg? by funsize

Hilarious isn't it. If you…

WaveyD1974
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9 months ago
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Hilarious isn't it. If you can't hurt yourself in a straight line then make up for it by doing it in the bends.

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In reply to 153kg? by funsize

Cool bike

larryt4114
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I had the chance to play with one once (it was a 500 Sport, not a 350) and really enjoyed it. It was in the way back when, when I worked for Cycle Canada. We went to the Shannonville race track with a Laverda 500 Montjuic, the Morini, and a Kawasaki 550. The Morini was the most fun, at least to me. We had Mike Duff (former Yamaha factory GP racer) along to "help" ... mostly he rode and we were astounded and depressed at his speed, lol. 

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In reply to Cool bike by larryt4114

Good story Larry!

funsize
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8 months 4 weeks ago
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The Morini still rides great and, if I get a twisty enough road, it’ll still keep up with most; it feels light even now, but a MotoGP bike only around a stone heavier (14lb in our talk, 6kg in most others) really does smack me right between the eyes 😵‍💫

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In reply to Good story Larry! by funsize

The power they get from…

WaveyD1974
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8 months 4 weeks ago
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The power they get from 1000cc blows my mind. I remember such numbers being way beyond a supposed hard end limit of possible when I was a youth. 

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In reply to Cool bike by larryt4114

Still have that issue of CC!

Matt Warburton
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8 months 3 weeks ago
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I still have that issue if CC. Sad to see how far the publication has fallen…

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In reply to Still have that issue of CC! by Matt Warburton

Well ...

larryt4114
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8 months 3 weeks ago
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... I did leave, after all ... lol. Don't think there are any Canadian print magazines left, except for Motorcycle Mojo. Inside m/c is just online now, and they're not paying anybody for anything so that'll probably not last long. 

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In reply to 153kg? by funsize

It’s amazing…

Seven4nineR
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9 months ago
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…how far we haven’t come: Ninja 300 = 166kg. 
I think of the cheap, fast, light entry level race bikes back in the day (LC, RG, TZR, KR, RD, NSR etc) vs these fat slow lumps and…and…(insert sock puppet face here)

Edit: this isn’t a 2T vs 4T comment, just an observation that a whole class of small sporting motorcycles has gone MIA. ZX4R? Near enough to 190kg with a full tank (add teenage eye roll to sock puppet face).

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In reply to It’s amazing… by Seven4nineR

Apples to oranges

CTK
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8 months 4 weeks ago
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Comparing race bikes to dirt cheap street bikes is a bit disingenuous. An old GPZ400 weighed more than 200kg. Those old 500s were about 180-190kg in street trim. And obviously those old bikes had nowhere near the capabilities of modern bikes. So yea we have actually come really far

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In reply to Apples to oranges by CTK

Apples to apples

Seven4nineR
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8 months 4 weeks ago
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The bikes I was referring to are/were road bikes. RD250/350LC, RG/RGV250, TZR250, KR1/KR1S 250, NSR250/400 (MVX = shiver!) etc. 

A common-place road going RGV250 v-twin that filled proddie race classes back in the day smoked out 60hp, weighed 130kg. +30 years later, in the light of a 4T Moto3 class you’d think a 400cc 4T twin that forms the basis for similar entry level race classes would be somewhere close….but they’re nowhere near it.

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In reply to Apples to apples by Seven4nineR

True

larryt4114
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8 months 4 weeks ago
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Moto 3 bikes are faster around a track than 500 cc two-stokes monsters were. Unbeliveable. 

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A great insight

mugget
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9 months ago
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Interesting to learn a little about how they approach the rules. 

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Not just the rules

St. Stephen
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8 months 4 weeks ago
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The comments and insight on the Moto3 riders' strategy was priceless.

"having a proper race pace instead of just clowning around and getting a slipstream is important"

Words to live by Moto3 riders! And maybe a former gp champion always looking for a tow.  ;-)

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Weighing in

lcno2001
8 months 4 weeks ago
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Two stroke 500s weighed about 130kg plus 32 ltr of fuel totalling 160kg. Present motogp bikes are around the 160 kg plus 21 litres of fuel. With the higher weight and higher centre of gravity these bikes must feel like diesels if you were used to two strokes. It's a shame that the technical diversity of the 2002 rules were not integrated as we had triples, fours and fives competing on a reasonable footing. A three cylinder machine should easily be capable of coming in at less than 150kg.

Can't but help think that 4 cylinder architecture is feeling bloated and inefficient in this day and age. The majority of modern road engines are now twins or triples. Surely provision could be made for twins and triples - bore and stroke size with weight concessions.

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Change Is Bad

Chuckracer
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8 months 3 weeks ago
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You could make that legal, but nobody will do it. Manufacturers are racing to make sponsors and investors happy and can't do that if they're reinventing the wheel on TV. Interesting? Sure. Successful? Not a chance.

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