The past few years have seen a massive change in the way MotoGP machines perform, and more significantly, how they achieve that performance. Ducati's early experiments with aerodynamics in 2010 went from a curiosity to wings and other aero add-ons becoming ubiquitous, and an integral part of motorcycle design. The Bologna factory repeated the feat with the holeshot device, which morphed into ride-height devices, forcing the other manufacturers all to copy Ducati and try to catch up.
All of these changes have had an immense impact on the racing. Top speeds have gone through the roof. At Mugello in 2015, Andrea Iannone was the fastest through the speed trap with a top speed of 350.8 km/h. This year, in the sprint race, Brad Binder hit an astonishing 366.1 km/h in the sprint race. That's an increase of 15.3 km/h or 4.4%.
But it isn't just top speeds: the combination of aerodynamics and ride-height devices have made passing more and more difficult, with riders taking ever greater risks to try to make a move. The first corner has taken on an oversize importance, with pile-ups at the start an increasingly frequent occurrence.
In the short term, there is little that the FIM and Dorna can do about the situation. The technical regulations are set for five-year periods in contracts between Dorna and the MotoGP manufacturers, with the current period ending in 2026. It has raised the stakes for the technical regulations for the next contract period, however.
Discussions for the new regulations, to come into force from the 2027 MotoGP season, are just getting started. The person in charge of overseeing those discussions and guiding the technical regulations is Corrado Cecchinelli, MotoGP Director of Technology. At Barcelona, I sat down with him to hear how he sees the future of MotoGP, and the direction they are trying to steer the new rules.
We covered a lot of ground, and so this interview has been split up into three parts. In the first part, Cecchinelli explains the main objectives for Dorna and the FIM with the new regulations, and why he prefers a reduction in maximum bore size rather than a reduction in engine capacity. In the second part, he explains how MotoGP can restrict the effect of aerodynamics on the sport, but also, why the series should keep a very limited amount. And in the final part, he explains how MotoGP will monitor and enforce the switch to carbon-neutral fuels, both for the 2024 season and for 2027, when fuels have to be 100% non-fossil based.
But we started off with a discussion of how to slow MotoGP bikes down. Higher top speeds on the straights and cornering speeds mean that tracks need ever more run off, and at several circuits, we are running into physical limits of the terrain. Hills can't be moved, ground can't be bought to move walls back further and increase gravel traps.
Even Ducati Corse boss Gigi Dall'Igna had acknowledged that top speeds were getting too high, proposing that engine capacity be reduced from 2027 to address the problem. So is slowing MotoGP bikes a priority for Dorna? "I would say the priority is safety, as always," Cecchinelli clarified. "So slowing the bikes down, of course, is a very easy way to achieve safety. So, yes, slowing the bikes down is in turn the first goal, if you want, but not a first principle. The principle is safety. I'm making this distinction because going slower makes safety, but you can achieve safety by also doing other things."
Those other things might included changing the tracks to accommodate faster motorcycles, but that is a much more expensive and difficult than slowing the bikes down to improve safety. "This is why they are usually synonymous, improving safety and slowing down the bikes. Because this is a practical way to do that," Cecchinelli explained.
The process of building a new set of technical regulations to address safety concerns was still in a relatively early stage, Cecchinelli said. "The present situation is that sometime ago during last season, we let each of the manufacturers unofficially have our ideas on what to do for the future regulations. Which includes not only the item of safety, but also, as a secondary goal, sustainability in general."
That was sustainability in the broadest sense of the word, he added. That was meant to include the long-term viability of the championship. "So sustainability, like everybody understands the word, means being more environmentally friendly, but also in terms of the overall sustainability of the sport and the championship, which is not exactly the same thing. With a focus within sustainability, a particular focus on road relevance."
Dorna had presented this outline to the manufacturers to give the discussion on the rules some direction, rather than just offering them a blank slate. "You know, it is always better to start from black and white, than from just asking, 'what do you think?' With just nothing," he said.
"So this was the idea behind us letting the manufacturers be aware of what we think. This is not an official agenda for discussions at the moment. We are not talking at the MSMA meetings, we are just waiting for feedback. That - and from now on it's just my personal opinion - I hope they will come within this year."
That means that the discussions are still not at the stage where Dorna would start submitting official proposals to the MSMA. "There are no proposals from any of the stakeholders. And by that, I mean, us as the organizer as a whole, or any of the manufacturers, or the manufacturers as the MSMA. No proposals from any of these parties. Just sort of, they know what we would like to achieve."
Was everything on the table, from engine capacity reduction to a reduction in bore size to a reduction in the number of gears, I asked? "This is all open, yes. Most of what you said is on the table," Cecchinelli replied. That included a reduction in both engine size and maximum bore size. "In displacement or bore, or both," he affirmed.
Those of us who have been in the championship for a long time will remember the last time capacity was reduced. MotoGP switched from 990cc to 800cc for the 2007 season, in the hope of slowing the bikes. That proved to be a failure: to compensate for reduced capacity, the manufacturers chased revs, and used electronics to manage the power delivery. By mid-season, lap times of the 800s were as fast as the old 990s, and top speeds were exceeded not long after that.
Cecchinelli was keenly aware of the pitfalls of merely reducing engine capacity. "I personally would prefer - and this is one of the things the manufacturers know – down-boring a one liter engine." Reducing the maximum bore size to make a less oversquare engine has a number of advantages, he explained. "Of course, what we are looking at is reducing maximum power. Which you can achieve by both down-boring and reducing displacement. But for me, down-boring has a number of good side effects, which have more road relevance. More durability, which means more sustainability. And, I would say for sure, but I say hopefully, a better efficiency."
Reducing the maximum bore size would improve combustion efficiency, he explained. "Normally a race engine has a good efficiency because of course, you are interested in making it, but the bigger you go with the bore, the worse the combustion chamber shape becomes. So when you are designing a racing engine, of course you will design with the best technologies and the information you have. You will be focused on reducing friction, correct fuel injection, timing and everything. But if you have a bore constraint, you will end up with better efficiency than if bore size is free."
Less is more
Would that also make the engine cleaner, because combustion is improved? "This is my hope in principle. Which is still to be proven, but it's one of the reasons why I would prefer a down-boring. The rest is certain, a longer engine life, more road relevance, and possibly for me, a better rideability."
Reducing bore size is a way to produce a better torque curve, so would that better rideability make for better racing? "In principle, yes," Cecchinelli believes. "And by the way, to me, it should be an engine that makes reducing the gear options easier. A better power delivery is to be expected."
That opens up other possibilities as well. "It opens the door to many other things that would be come for free, you know? To give a practical example, one of the proposals is less engines per season. That would come more or less for free if you down-bore the present engines. You can say minus one engine is equal to the current situation."
Physics vs engineers
An important principle within any new set of technical regulations is that engineers should be free to work within the limits, and not have any artificial restrictions placed upon them. "For me, I understand the point of some limitations being more in the racing spirit than others," Cecchinelli said. "For instance, I am the biggest fan and pusher of a rev limiter but I understand that this is not really in the racing spirit. I mean, it can be argued as a racing limitation, because it's like a speed limit. It works, but in some way, it conflicts with the spirit of racing, I understand that."
Using the laws of physics to set a limit was a much fairer way of restricting speed. "So for me, down-boring is a clever and elegant way of reducing RPMs without giving a specific number, so that whoever is better than the others still has an advantage. Which is fair in racing," he explained. "Because you are always in conflict between closing technical gaps, but rewarding the best engineers. You still want that someone who is better will be rewarded. You don't want a flat championship in which whatever you do, you are with the top. I mean, this is not fair racing. So for me down-boring represents all of this."
In part two of this conversation, we turn our attention to aerodynamics. Can it be controlled? And will the manufacturers be willing to accept such restrictions?
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Well, road relevance is a…
Well, road relevance is a thing. I’m waiting for the fuel piece…..longevity and fossil-free stuff. Lube too. Utopia. Well, maybe tires need some work.
In reply to Well, road relevance is a… by motomann
Road relevance
The future for all road based transport including motorcycles is electric. Biofuels or other sustainable fuels need to be reserved for those modalities that cannot be electrified, aviation and international shipping. Large, battery electric trucks and buses are currently being developed. MotoGP betting on alternative fuels is a dead end.
Road relevance? That would…
Road relevance?
That would be WSBK no?
In reply to Road relevance? That would… by gone2ray
In WSBK, they race the bikes…
In WSBK, they race the bikes which they have already built. What factories learn in MotoGP are much broader lessons. For example, the restriction on the number of engines allowed has taught factories a lot about reliability and allowed maintenance intervals to be increased.
In reply to Road relevance? That would… by gone2ray
WSBK can only develop…
WSBK can only develop current technology, not whatever is in the future the way a prototype series can.
I was just thinking out loud…
I was just thinking out loud... what if we maintained the present bore and stroke but just eliminate 1 cylinder and make 3 cylinders 750cc maximum? Yamaha already has experience with their CP3 engine, Honda has previously developed a 2-stroke NS500R GP racer and their RCV 211 racer had also an odd number of cylinders (5) Ducati can just revert to running a dummy crank for the fourth cylinder like their original super mono, Aprilla used to run their Cube racer, and KTM - well, they'll just have to take over MV Augusta real quick to harness MV's triple cylinder technology. Problem solved for the next 5 years!!!
In reply to I was just thinking out loud… by usedtoride
Wouldn’t that just be Moto2.5?
Wouldn’t that just be Moto2.5? Its just my five cents worth as I think there needs to be a noticeable difference between the speed and bikes used in Moto2 and MotoGP
In reply to Wouldn’t that just be Moto2.5? by Morgs
Not remotely comparable
3/4 of current motogp power is a shed load more than a highly developed supersport engine from 2006 modified for a (truly excellent) roadster.
Wsbk 750s were making considerably more power than moto2 25 years ago. A race engine, the Triumph, is not by any stretch of the imagination.
In reply to Not remotely comparable by ehtikhet
My logic of simply removing…
My logic of simply removing 1 cylinder is that manufacturers will not have to redesign their engines for new bore/stroke/valve timing etc since all the baselines are already established and optimised. They can go racing for the next 5 years more cheaply(!)
With the trend for manufacturers to reduce cylinders on their street bikes in the name of efficiency, MotoGP going for less cylinders should be socially acceptable.
When they suddenly have 25% less power, they will have to re-think aero anyway, as Yamaha has already shown that too much aero on an underpowered bike will lose out. So we can leave this aspect as-is I think. It would be interesting to see a Ducati GP27 try to push the same number of wings through racing circuits with only 3 cylinders...
Since MotoGP is a prototype series – as long as all the manus agree to a given set of rules, and try to manipulate them later(!), we’ll probably all get good racing!
In reply to My logic of simply removing… by usedtoride
Removing 1 cylinder, turning…
Removing 1 cylinder, turning a 4 into a triple, is a much bigger operation than modifying bore, stroke, valve timing, etc. That's because you completely destroy the engine balance you had, and have to change the crank, add (or not) balance shafts. The V4s would be particularly badly hit. A 90 degree V4 has perfect primary balance, so you'd either have to change the V angle or (more likely) turn it into an inline triple.
It will mean new cylinders, new cylinder heads, new crankshaft, new crankcases, and probably modified primary gears optimized for the different power pulses.
I get what you are trying to suggest, but I think you are underestimating the effort needed to go from a 4-cylinder to a 3-cylinder engine.
In reply to Wouldn’t that just be Moto2.5? by Morgs
The main idea is to reduce…
The main idea is to reduce development costs that comes with re-designing to new bore/stroke/valve timing optimizations. This way, manufacturers can quickly develop 225 hp triples (75% of 300 hp) and go racing. When there's less power, high-downforce aero becomes useless (see Yamaha this year) so this issue will sort itself out in no time. I feel that this 5-year rule cycle is quite transient - the real changes will come in the 2031 rule book. By then we could probably be racing hybrid motorcycles with regenerative braking and KERS (shudder...)
In reply to I was just thinking out loud… by usedtoride
KTM/Pierer Mobility already have…
Bought either a large or controlling share of MV Agusta last year, don’t know if there’s any connection to your theory..😉
More options (some serious, some not)
Reducing overall displacement without rev-limits will only result in same HP at higher revs. As these motors approach real-world max volumetric efficiency (already at 330-350 bhp/l), revs are the way forward. If revs are unlimited, then dominance will move to whomever has the best metallurgists (vs. aero) = those with F1 connections. Not to mention the motors will sound like 2-stroke model airplanes. Seems there are less expensive ways to reduce speed/power. Overtaking and turn one congestion maybe have a different set of issues to address?
Options for reduced speed or power
Options to reduce turn one congestion, improved/safer overtaking
For reducing power/speed, maximum inlet/throttle body area would seem to be far more economical, regs can be revised easily at modest engineering cost. (You didn't hear me say that what worked for NASCAR should work for MotoGP - ha, ha, ha, ha, ha...)
In reply to More options (some serious, some not) by Merlin
There are already material…
There are already material restrictions so that should help on the metallurgy side. Another type of "soft cap" that Cecchinelli was referring to with bore limit VS rev limit. I would love for hole shots to be banned or similarly restricted as they don't have any road relevance. I've given up on the fight against wings in general but another restriction is needed there as well.
In reply to There are already material… by lotsofchops
Race v Road application
Hole shot devices work great in MX and it would be naive to think that some of MotoGP’s further development hasn’t filtered back there. I’m guilty of just thinking in terms of road bike relevance, and realised that perhaps a broader competitive relevance might be better.
Similarly I dislike that they do not allow at least one engine upgrade throughout the season (to stop what happened to Suzuki a few years ago and the current engine lag with Yamaha) and restrict the number of engines they can use, however I do appreciate that it forces the engineers to build engines that will last longer.
In reply to Race v Road application by Morgs
People still race road bikes…
People still race road bikes from a standing start as well, be it on the track or at the drag strip. If a road bike can have launch control it can have a holeshot device too. And theres no better place to develop that tech than MotoGP
In reply to People still race road bikes… by CTK
Nup
There is no way on Earth that manufacturers will ever fit something that modifies the mobile geometry of a bike to a road bike. Never. Given the numerous scenario's we've already seen of devices failing to reset the lawsuits would be immediate and plentiful from riders who have speared off into the shrubbery or worse, oncoming traffic.
It has as much relevance to road bikes as pneumatic valves.
In reply to More options (some serious, some not) by Merlin
Increased braking distances
Steel brakes would make for a safer turn 1 and more overtaking I reckon?
Lower bore size or same bore but 3 cylinder if we’re going to muck about with the engine rules.
Joking in the extreme, yet…
Joking in the extreme, yet true, if you gave them Moto3 tyres, power problem is solved, speed problem is solved. Obviously, it would be too slow. Throw the aero away, throw the ride height devices away, give them less grip on the rear. There would be lots of complaints, then competition and then racing but slower. Downside, more highsides.
Maybe it's time to get rid…
Maybe it's time to get rid of the slicks. Street tires on gp machines. Michelin trying to figure out how to get the tread to wear off asap while wearing evenly. I'm here for it.
Simple solution I suggested before
Again I said this earlier today. MotoGP is already moving to a spec fuel so the energy density is standardized. All they have to do to limit power is limit fuel flow. The flip side of that is then they can unlock other engine restrictions which will make for more interesting and unique configurations without anyone completely running away with HP.
So we could see engines bigger or smaller than 1000cc, more or less than 4 cylinders, hell different engines for different tracks. I think that's way simpler and more elegant than a more arbitrary displacement limit.
In reply to Simple solution I suggested before by CTK
I like your idea
:-}
In reply to Simple solution I suggested before by CTK
Engines
Motogp teams definitely aren't going to ever be allowed to make multiple engines to use throughout the season at different circuits!
Even these concessions Dorna are supposedly bringing next season for Yamaha and Honda (though I personally don't think they deserve any) is only going to be a few extra testing days.
not displacement, bore.
He's not talking about a displacement limit for those very reasons, rather a bore limit to accomplish many interesting things.
Cecchinelli not that bright.
Like someone else posted elsewhere, just take the wings off and you have increased the braking distances and lowered the top speeds, much cheaper than introducing a new engine formula.
In reply to Cecchinelli not that bright. by Dieterly
Too bad about Ducati...
Too bad that the main innovator of aero in MotoGP also has the most bikes on the grid. Ducati will stonewall any removal of aero bits. I think the horse has left the barn on that happening. That pretty much means engine and/or electronics to solve this conundrum.
I wonder if there could be a maximum generated downforce allowed. Bikes are just sooo much more dynamic compared to cars, it might not be practical or useful.
In reply to Cecchinelli not that bright. by Dieterly
Everybody outside the mfrs ...
... wants no wings, no shapeshifters. Is anybody who matters listening?
In reply to Everybody outside the mfrs ... by larryt4114
Not everybody. . .
Some of us enjoy these technological progressions. Yes it comes with issues but change always does . . . until it doesn’t. These days we are impressed when a rider is say 3 or 4 seconds in front of second rather than half a lap or more as in days of old. Technology has facilitated that. So many things that we now take for granted were once hotly debated topics. Things like fuel injection, caste rims, adjustable timing, aluminium frames, real-time data transfer and onboard computing, pneumatic valves, seamless gearboxes, and carbon discs etc. Now it’s aero, and shapeshifters etc.
I recall reading somewhere that the aero can provide better high speed stability and predictability. It would be interesting to get some riders perspectives on the pros and cons of aero, and to find out how many, if any want to get rid of it.
One of the nice things about WSBK and other categories is that it’s more about the rider and less about the bike. But their not MotoGP and that’s ok.
In reply to Not everybody. . . by Morgs
Very good point.
It's not only the manufacturers who are 'stakeholders' in these discussions and decisions. Maybe the hope is that rider opinion will come via their respective manufacturer?
In reply to Not everybody. . . by Morgs
Let me help you crash at higher speed!
Hmmm, just because the gaps are smaller does not mean the racing is any better. It used to be that 1 sec was the gap that broke the rubber band, these days it's probably only half that. I certainly can't remember the last time someone made up 0.5 sec on the last lap for a win where it used to be eminently possible, albeit not probable.
Smaller gaps sound good on paper, and probably looks better on TV, but if the chance of passing is just as unlikely then the competition is just as limited. You only have to look at Buriram for the evidence of that: how close were Martin, Binder and latterly Bagnaia? Yet you can count the overtakes on 1 hand.
Vs the stellar WSBK race provided by Topraq and Alvaro.
The jury is already in on the aero: most of the riders hate it. The front guy has the high speed stability/predictability you speak of and everyone behind cops the buffeting. The evidence/reports are plentiful. And like my old Ohlins tech used to say tongue in cheek: "let me help you crash at higher speeds!" and that's exactly what aero does. Whatever the limit is riders will find it, aero increases the limit, so riders inevitably crash at that increased limit. It's not like aero came along and everyone stopped crashing.
Am I missing something?
For me, reducing power will not slow the bikes. They already have vastly more power than they can possibly use, hence the need for traction control and aero etc, if the overall objective is to reduce lap times, then reduce what allows this excess of power to be used. So limit aero, ride height and traction control. Simple! Well, it appears to be simple to me!!
Reduce the time between…
Reduce the time between rule changes. With the accelerating rate of technological change, after five years the rules are bent way out of shape of the intentions, with everyone bent in the same direction for better or worse.
In reply to Reduce the time between… by fraynie
+1
Agreed fraynie. The need to give the manufacturers advance notice technical specs has overcome the fans need to see fun races.
I'd like the limit to be…
I'd like the limit to be 500cc again and up to 8-cylinders. No other limits. Let them start like that and as things don't work out just reign them in a bit.
This gives you a;
Lower BHP
lower top speed
technology continues open ended in the engine
The MotoGP will still be the fastest and premier class and still be faster than a roadbased Triumph from Moto2.
They may not be as quick as WSBK but then the idea "was" after all to slow them down.
all this stuff can still go on your roadbike
they should also allow advantages to teams running 4 cylinders like enclosed front ends (if desired) - as an example.
I love the technology!
It doesn't reduce costs to the manufacturers; fine
Not so novel idea.... Go…
Not so novel idea....
Go back to 125, 250 and 500cc engines for the 3 classes. This should appease the Luddites and progressives equally.
"The priority is safety."…
"The priority is safety."
Which is safer: Slower cornering speeds and 350 kph through the speed trap near the end of the Mugello straight without wings and ride height devices, or higher cornering speeds and 366 kph with that stuff? The outside observer would probably conclude that slower is safer, yet I wonder what the riders would say. Aero keeps the front planted and the tire glued to the tarmac. The rear ride height device lowers the center of gravity, increases rear grip, and (combined with the change in the angle of the wings) reduces wheelie effects out of the corners. And just because the majority of riders might agree that the bikes are safer with all the new tech, does the feeling of safety really translate into being truly safe? I do not see a one size fits all solution to the danger of racing Motogp bikes. Honestly, throwing a leg over a moto, thumbing the starter button, and clicking into first gear is courting danger. The rider is vulnerable. And with that acknowledged vulnerability may arise the sensation of being completely free.
In reply to "The priority is safety."… by spongedaddy
This argument is addressed…
This argument is addressed at length in part 2
In reply to "The priority is safety."… by spongedaddy
Glued to the tarmac…
Sitting at the braking point for T1 at Mugello last year Rins’ Suzuki lofted the front wheel 3 feet in the air at well over 200mph.
😳
I shit thee nay, it was fucking awesome.
In reply to "The priority is safety."… by spongedaddy
Glued to the tarmac…
Double post 🤦♂️
In reply to "The priority is safety."… by spongedaddy
No matter where it happens,…
No matter where it happens, faster means more energy to get rid of. The double trouble on straights is higher speeds and, despite that, shorter braking distances. When it goes wrong, which it must on a given day, the rider is travelling faster and is also physically closer to the quick stop against the fence. Faster through the turns is no different except the fences/tyres/barriers are always fairly close and thankfully, bikes remain relatively slow through turns.
Frisky ponies
Why oh why are they still using 100RON fuel? Just reduce the octane to a more common or garden variety 91RON and you'd lose a herd of ponies overnight.
The only series entirely…
The only series entirely dependent on how many bikes sell on a Monday morning is WSBK so the rule changes should be looked at there more seriously! How many 200bhp+++ bikes for the road are actually being sold anywhere in the world?? (And why did Suzuki really pull out of MotoGP??) I think DORNA needs to look at both series together since WSBK is in its death throes given the shrinking size of the audiences at most races together with the increasing gap between what one can use on the road and the actual power available from current superbikes. PLUS MotoGP has gone beserk with speeds & aero devices. Great for fans of pure racing but which manufactures are going to support all or any of this??
A good friend of mine, who has been racing classic bikes for many, many years, is seriously proposing that there should be three new classes all with smaller & simpler engines than today - so 125cc-250cc singles THEN 250-500 twins topped by a 500-750cc triples for the senior class. His reasoning is entirely based on what bikes actually sell in numbers but it kinda makes sense to me!! I have not looked at the sales figures myself but ...
All very well for DORNA to look at safety first, but the real question must be: How does racing reflect the markets and how does it survive if it doesn't change to reflect them??
In reply to The only series entirely… by Uzekamanzi
Conventional
Like I said earlier, whether we like it or not, the future of motorcycling is electric. Yet we are still focusing our prototype series on ICE. Why not organise the series with 3 batteries capacities and have the mfr's develop prototypes that are actually road relevant in 5-10 years.
In reply to Conventional by Riesjart
Speeds
Will definitely be lower than. Aerodynamics will be focusing on efficiency, battery development speed for bikes will be increased and maybe some new mfr's will be interested...
Naturally
Because reducing the bore is the sensible option obviously today stories are flying around that it's a cut to 850cc. Idiots.
In reply to Naturally by Ppparkinson9
If you reduce the bore from…
If you reduce the bore from 81mm to 75mm and keep the stroke the same, you get a capacity of 857cc.