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HRC Boss Koji Watanabe On How To Turn Honda's MotoGP Project Around And Why They Will Never Pull Out Of MotoGP

By Akira Nishimura | Mon, 14/Aug/2023 - 15:43

On the first weekend of August, the Suzuka 8 Hours Race was held at Suzuka Circuit in Mie Prefecture, within an hour's drive from Nagoya, the third biggest city in Japan. This year saw the 44th edition, and Honda is the most successful manufacturer in its history: 29 victories.

This number of victories is overwhelming. Since the Suzuka 8 Hours is regarded as one of the most important races for Honda, a string HRC (Honda Racing Corporation) top management came to Suzuka one after another, with HRC President Koji Watanabe also arriving at the racetrack on Saturday morning. In Sunday’s race, their factory team, Team HRC with Japan Post, dominated all through the eight hours and achieved victory for the second year in a row. It was such a beautiful summer night, and everything went silky smooth for them in the 8 Hours race.

Everything is the complete opposite in MotoGP, however. In the premier world championship for motorcycle racing, Honda has been suffering something they have never experienced before.

As of Round 9, the British GP, Honda has taken only one podium from twenty seven opportunities. In the riders’ standings, the highest place for any of Honda's four riders is 14th, and in the manufacturers' championship, Honda lies in 4th place, with their accumulated points less than one third of Ducati's. In the team standings, Honda’s factory squad Repsol Honda Team is placed the lowest of all, 11th. This must be the most critical situation in their racing history.

Therefore, on Saturday afternoon, almost twenty-four hours before the race start in Suzuka, we conducted a one-on-one interview with the HRC president Koji Watanabe, probably the very first opportunity in the world for MotoGP-related media. We asked the top executive who manages all of their racing activities in the company without any reservations and straight to the point; how can they get out of this miserable situation? And what is the roadmap to resurrection and getting back the glory again?

 Watanabe-san became the president of HRC on April 1st, 2022. That was the moment that HRC, which used to be the specialized motorcycle racing organization, integrated Formula One and other four-wheel racing activities to become the “new” HRC to manage all the racing activities for Honda. In the inaugural speech when he was appointed the president, Watanabe-san announced four concepts of the new HRC;

  • Elevating the Honda brand further through HRC’s motorsports activities.
  • Continuing commitment to carbon neutrality for sustainable motorsports.
  • Providing opportunities and expanding the environment for motorsports to enjoy racing more.
  • Contributing to Honda's motorcycle and automobile business through motorsports activities.

We started the question firstly to ask whether these four concepts were proceeding as they had originally planned.

KW: Basically, we are on schedule. There are some areas where we have to probe carefully to figure out what to do and how to do, so everything cannot be done immediately. However, we did anticipate more or less some difficulties from the beginning in terms of integrating two wheels and four wheels into one specialized racing company and managing the activities.

For example, even in our parent company Honda Motor Corporation, motorcycles and automobiles are developed on their own and have few communications with each other, and so are the different cultures between them. And when I started managing both of them, I found out that they have their strong points and some points to improve each other.

For two wheels, HRC has a lot of accumulated experience through its long racing history. Motorsports and business have strong links, which makes the most of our products such as one-make races and so on.

On the other hand, although four wheels has excellent technology, the idea of what to do with them in the context of motorsports as a whole and their links to the business have some room to improve. Therefore, I was reminded that complementing their strong points and points to improve between two wheels and four wheels is very important.

Q: You just mentioned that the strong point of two-wheeled racing is having a lot of accumulated experience through its long racing history. So, what is the weakness and points to improve for two wheels in HRC?

KW: Setting aside describing it as a "weakness," I think we should have done technical communication between two and four wheels more proactively even earlier. Actually, we had it. But from the current viewpoint that we have intense communications, it makes me feel that it was not enough in the past. For example, maybe two wheels tended to stick with their own ideas, which might have restricted their way of thinking about new technology. Now four-wheeled technology translates more and more to two wheels in aerodynamics and engine combustion, then they produce many interesting ideas that are completely different from those in the past. The synergy effect between two and four wheels is creating a very good stimulus for two-wheeled activities.

Q: You also mentioned that two wheels and four wheels have different cultures. Does that affect something in technological communications?

KW: Originally, two and four wheels have been going their own way. In that sense, I understand that the two-wheel staff do not want four-wheel people to meddle with their field, and vice versa. Therefore, we management side should not push them to do things, but prepare the environment so they can voluntarily choose things when they see the perspectives in front of them. What we should not do in the first place is to force two-wheel engineers, saying “You have to use this four-wheel technology.”

Q: After you were appointed the HRC president, we often saw you in your team garage on race weekends. I remember seeing you in the paddock at Portimao, and you came to Mugello, too. And I saw you on the TV screen at the Red Bull Ring for the Formula One race. Is it because of your commitment to the on-site racing activities?

KW: Well, it is true that I love the racing paddock. But in reality, we have a pile of things to be coordinated and discussed. So, it is not just a courtesy call at all. There are many things to be sorted out here and there, both in MotoGP and Formula One.

Q: And this is what I wanted to hear from you. HRC is struggling now in MotoGP, experiencing one of the lowest performances in its history. I don’t remember witnessing such grim struggles from HRC in the past. Probably, there are complicated reasons for it, but from your point of view, why do you have to struggle now like this?

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Very interesting interview

larryt4114
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1 year 7 months ago
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Thanks to Nishimura-san and you, Mr. Emmett.

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Fire Puig.

road1951runner
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Fire Puig.

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In reply to Fire Puig. by road1951runner

I hear this a lot, but…

David Emmett
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1 year 7 months ago
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I hear this a lot, but Alberto Puig is the last person that needs to be fired. The problems are in Japan. Watanabe-san is the only person who can fix the problem. Talk to anyone in HRC (off the record) and they will tell you the project is failing in Japan, which is beyond the power of Puig to affect.

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In reply to I hear this a lot, but… by David Emmett

Thanks for this David. 

slowgeek
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1 year 7 months ago
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Thanks for this David. 

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In reply to Fire Puig. by road1951runner

this is a little in the same…

daddyrat
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1 year 7 months ago
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this is a little in the same vain as MM93 is responsible for the bad bike they are having.

I so disagree with that. In the past it was a bike that few could ride but he dominated during those times, that wa what he ws employed to do and if Honda built him a bike to do it with the objectives were achieved to the fullest. I for one do not believe, after having read a lot of why Honda is where they are nowadays, that this was MM93 responsiblity. I believe that as soon as he managed to go fast there was no incentive for Honda to develop or research further solutions and that's what they did. It costs less money!!!!

Every single rider in th epaddock tries to influence development to suit themselves first and their team mates second. 

I do not like Puig particularily, but then I do not know him and I reckon all the other team managers are probably not much more likeable.

 

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That was one hell of an good…

Moto Mondo
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1 year 7 months ago
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That was one hell of an good interview David; thank you ( and Watanabe-san). Although I am ambivalent about HRC, I am left with the feeling that once they have their mojo back, oh Lord.

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MotoGP needs a strong HRC…

motomann
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MotoGP needs a strong HRC and Yamaha. It seems that Honda MGP riders need a kamikaze attitude, and they have all said they are prepared for most options, but not crippling themselves. The key issue will be the ability to be open minded and pragmatic. The very fact that two Japanese discussing the subject could not avoid the mention of honour makes me wonder how open minded the Japanese team is. Embracing the skills available internally is one essential, but much as Europe had to embrace aspects of Japanese culture they nowadays need to look into every culture and technology to learn and improve. Ducati’s success has largely been their multiple collaborations and grid spots. Odd that Dorna seem to be denying KTM that opportunity and it raises a big question of how can anyone generate the scale and pace of change needed in modern racing when testing is so constrained.

The fireblade is said to be the bike to have in BSB and the Yamaha is doing well too. In WSBK the story appears to be similar to MGP - it cannot cut the mustard. A real conundrum and it shows the narrow margins between glory and ignominy. But then the stopwatches tell a similar tale in each category - tiny margins make a big difference in MGP. The constant here is Ducati success and options. They can crash more and still win, etc. The key to that success appears to involve direct links between the factory and all main categories of the sport and each seems to prosper as a result.

I hope that MM sticks it out. Rossi left a strong team to win with an ostensibly weaker one. MM will do his reputation no harm by seeing it through. It depends on his resilience and will to succeed though.

A fascinating story and another unique insight from the Motomatters team.

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Great interview and this is…

Baron Tanks
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Great interview and this is why we come to these corners. If I want to be flooded by 25 headlines a day there's many sites that will provide, but the art of the interview seems to be a dying one and this is just a reminder that certain nuance can't be captured in two sentences. And I'm glad you've culitvated a corner where we can still find this kind of content. Cheers David.

Greetings to you and the community from a fan that came to the sport a couple years ago* and entered your orbit by hitting the ole, 'best MotoGP Podcast' into Google looking for a bunch of people that manage to unify entertainment with depth. And I've not looked back since!

*the Mir COVID championship was the first one I followed start to finish

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Another banger, DE

lotsofchops
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1 year 7 months ago
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I do always enjoy these interviews. Watanabe was very open about their problems, refreshing for sure. Between him and Kawauchi it definitely seems like they have some strong management in place; while I've never flown the HRC flag, it has been tough to see them struggle this much.

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Reorganization-itis

thunderbug
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I enjoyed the interview. My take-away is that HRC is a classic victim of corporate reorganization and tinkering. A new person becomes in charge and suddenly there needs to be more "synergy" between the motorcycle and car divisions. A classic case of fixing what wasn't broken.

Who knows? Downstream this may pay dividends with increased reliance on aerodynamics and perhaps hybrid motors, but in the short term, clearly it is not working and I doubt if management expected such a downturn in performance.

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For sure we can't say that…

lotsofchops
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For sure we can't say that the synergy between 2 and 4 wheels was a source of issue, but clearly something is broken in the organization or they wouldn't be in such a sad state. KTM has tapped the Red Bull F1 team for aero help, so there is a connection there to help.

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HRC should hire Gigi (like…

Tanker Man
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HRC should hire Gigi (like that would ever happen!) and give him full autonomy. 

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Out of curiosity, I wonder…

bdouvill241
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Out of curiosity, I wonder if the interview was held in English or in Japanese with a translator. Remember how Honda return to F1 with McLaren a few years ago went with Honda Project Leader far from being fluent in English really not helping and how that generally hurts communication between Japan HQ and Racing Teams. According to Watanabe-san pedigree, I would expect him to be highly proficient in English but David can confirm. Thanks.

Benoit.

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In reply to Out of curiosity, I wonder… by bdouvill241

This interview was conducted…

David Emmett
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This interview was conducted by Akira Nishimura, the leading Japanese MotoGP journalist. It was done in Japanese, and Akira translated it himself. I then lightly edited it, to make some sections clearer. But Akira's English is outstanding, so it didn't need much work.

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In reply to This interview was conducted… by David Emmett

Thank you David. Wonderful…

bdouvill241
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Thank you David. Wonderful content, as usual 👍

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