Fans and media have been waiting for the 2027 MotoGP technical regulations with a mixture of hope and trepidation. Though the racing has been close the past couple of years, and even exciting, the unstoppable advance of aerodynamics paired with the sudden ubiquity of ride-height devices has changed the sport enormously.
On Monday, Dorna and the FIM announced the details of the new rules. It was, by and large, as expected: 850cc engines with a maximum of 75mm bore, with less fuel and fewer engines. To the delight of many - including many fans, MotoGP insiders, and no doubt also riders - ride-height devices and holeshot devices have been completely banned, and aerodynamics has been severely curtailed (for the moment, at least, but more of that later). For the full details, read the story posted earlier today, which lays out the exact changes so far.
The question on everyone's mind is, of course, what will the 2027 bikes look like, and how will they affect the racing? With the caveat that rule changes tend never to work out quite as intended - even as we speak, engineers in the various factories are scouring the rules to find what the rule makers have overlooked - we can try to guess at the effect the rules will have on the bikes, and the intentions of those who drew them up.
First, perhaps, a refresher on how the rules are made. Technical regulations are fixed (except for minor adjustments) for a period of five years at a time. Dorna agrees contracts with manufacturers in which they commit to supply bikes for five years, and having technical rules frozen helps the factories to manage costs. We are currently in the middle of the contract period which runs from 2022 through 2026.
The process as set out in the rules is that the promoter of the championship (Dorna), the governing body (the FIM), the teams (IRTA), and the manufacturers (the MSMA) negotiate a set of rules they are all happy with. Dorna puts forward proposals which it hopes will steer the championship in the direction which will help them promote it, and allow it to continue successfully. The MSMA discuss those proposals and put forward counter proposals to address those concerns, but also allow them to achieve their goals in terms of marketing, research & development, and training their engineering staff. And once the MSMA are unanimous about a set of rules and Dorna can accept them, they are put to the Grand Prix Commission (where Dorna sit with the MSMA, IRTA, and the FIM) for a vote.
The start of each five-year contract period is the only real opportunity for Dorna to steer the rules. At other times, the MSMA retains a veto over the technical rules, as long as they are unanimous. But at contract time, Dorna have much greater input into the rules. At the end, of course, both Dorna and the manufacturers want a set of rules they are all happy with. Dorna wants the factories to be racing in MotoGP for the status of the championship, and the factories want the championship to be challenging enough to be interesting without the cost of competing spiraling out of control.
All four parties involved agreed that the biggest challenge facing MotoGP at the moment is the ever-increasing speeds the bikes are reaching. It has been a topic of conversation among senior MotoGP officials almost since I entered the paddock full time fifteen years ago. Since then, the bikes have only gotten faster, culminating in Brad Binder hitting 366.1 km/h at Mugello last year. As speeds increase, the circuits need more runoff. And at current speeds, the tracks are running out of physical room to create more runoff, due either to geography (hills, slopes, and cliffs) and economics (the cost of purchasing extra land to make space for runoff).
That issue is what the set of rules agreed for 2027 are aimed at addressing. The objective is to lower top speeds. The simplest way of reducing top speeds is to limit the amount of power the engines make. And the quickest way to do that is to reduce capacity. Hence the drop from 1000cc to 850cc.
We have been here before, of course. In the early part of this century, after MotoGP switched from 500cc two stroke engines to 990cc four strokes, the same worry arose. The bikes were simply going too fast. So for the 2007 season, capacity was reduced to 800cc.
It is fair to say that the capacity reduction did very little to make the bikes slower. At the first race of the 800cc era, in Qatar, Casey Stoner broke the race lap record by eight tenths of a second, and Valentino Rossi broke the pole record by nearly seven tenths. In terms of top speed, Alex Barros was 3km/h slower on the Ducati GP7 (316.3 km/h) than Dani Pedrosa on the 990cc Honda RC211V (319.8 km/h) the previous year. And he was 1 km/h slower than Loris Capirossi on the Ducati GP6 (317.3 km/h). For comparison, in 2024, Jack Miller hit 360 km/h in the sprint race.
Reading the 2027 technical regulations, it is clear that the rule makers have learned the lesson of the 800cc era. Yes, MotoGP is reducing capacity again, but the way capacity is being reduced, and the other changes to the rules, are aimed at avoiding the blind pursuit of revs and horsepower, with power being managed with electronics.
In 2007, the only restriction on the engines was limiting engine size from 990cc to 800cc. What happened was that the manufacturers shortened the engine stroke and kept the bore pretty much the same, making the engines massively oversquare, with bores around 86mm. That allowed the engines to rev to dizzy heights, over 21,000 RPM in some instances. Honda and Yamaha were forced to ditch their steel valve springs for pneumatic valves as engine life dropped as low as 300km and valve springs had to be replaced at the end of each day.
For 2027, engine capacity has been reduced by reducing the bore, from 81mm to 75mm. That allows the engines to keep almost the same stroke: 48.5mm for the current generation of 1000cc MotoGP machines, where the 2027 850cc bikes will use a stroke of 48.1mm. The 850cc engines will rev to roughly the same level - between 18,000 and 19,500 RPM - that the 1000cc bikes do.
The reduction in bore size will have an impact on engine character, however. Smaller bore size means smaller valve sizes, and smaller valve sizes mean faster air flow through the valves, more swirl in the chamber, and better combustion. It will allow the engines to run less advance, meaning more of the combustion is converted into power, rather than lost by burning before the piston has reached TDC.
75mm bore engines will have better combustion efficiency, but that efficiency will be highest at lower revs. In effect, the 850cc engines will have more torque over a wider rev range than the larger engines.
Another change to the engines point in the same direction. For 2027, the number of possible gear ratios has been drastically reduced, from 24 to 16. Having 24 different gear ratios allows engineers to more precisely match the gearbox to a specific track. In effect, it makes it easier to keep the engine inside a narrower power band at each circuit.
Having only 16 different ratios to choose from means that you are a little bit further away from optimal in most circumstances. And the way to handle having the wrong gear ratio is to have more torque, and a wider spread of power. That gives you more leeway with your gearing, and means the rider is less likely to be caught with an engine just outside its power band.
As an illustration of how this changes, think of the different demands of the Sachsenring: tight, twisty, slow in most places with a low top speed; Mugello: fast, open, and flowing, where you are mostly in higher gears and a lot of throttle; and Spielberg: big, fast straights, with a lot of hairpins and tight corners, where you are going from low gear to high gear and high top speeds.
At the Sachsenring, you need a close ratio gearbox with a relatively short sixth gear and low final drive gearing. At Mugello, you need a gearbox with ratios slightly more spread out, and a very long top gear. At Spielberg, you need a wide ratio gearbox and long top gear to accommodate the tight hairpins and fast straights, and still be able to accelerate efficiently.
Reducing the number of possible gear ratios to choose the six allowed at each race becomes much more difficult with just 16 available. And you have to compensate for that with more torque.
The reduction in fuel capacity, from 22 liters to 20 liters in the main race and 12 to 11 liters in the sprint race, will play a role here. In 2007, fuel capacity was reduced as well, but the difference then was that each factory could use their own proprietary software. Manufacturers focused on saving fuel in braking and partial throttle to give them more top end horsepower. In 2027, factories will still be using the spec Magneti Marelli ECUs and software, which does not allow such fine control.
A greater focus on torque will also be needed to compensate for the loss of ride-height devices. These have had a huge impact on both acceleration out of corners and braking, by lowering the center of mass and reducing wheelie. They have effectively given the MotoGP engineers a lot of acceleration and drive out of corners for free, and allowed them to get more out of the tire without increasing consumption. They have increased the amount of usable thrust.
Having found that acceleration from geometry rather than engine, the manufacturers were able to change the nature of the engines to produce more horsepower. And that additional horsepower allowed them to run more aerodynamic downforce, which again helped with acceleration by reducing wheelie.
Without the ride-height devices, factory engineers will have to find different ways to get drive out of corners. And the easiest way to do that is by producing more usable torque, generating more thrust, from a more manageable engine. Engine character will play a bigger role in tire consumption again. And a bigger role in racing.
The removal of the ride-height devices will also affect bike design as well. When the rider operates the ride-height device, the rear of the bike drops, reducing the space between rear wheel and fuel tank (which is under the seat) and seat unit. Because of the way the device operates, the bike still has its full degree of suspension travel, so the seat and tank have to be designed such that if the rear suspension compresses, the rear wheel will not hit the tank or seat unit.
Without having to take ride-height devices into account, the seat unit can be lower and the fuel tank can be moved further back. It will once again be able to locate the fuel tank closer to the center of mass, without making uncomfortable compromises.
The steps to reduce aerodynamic surface are interesting, but how effective they are on reducing downforce and the focus on aerodynamics is open to question. Smaller bore engines will have less horsepower, and require less aerodynamics, and also make the cost of running more downforce higher (there is much less excess horsepower with which to overcome drag).
However, the aerodynamics genie is very much out of the bottle, and aerodynamics is now an integral part of MotoGP bike design. Having a narrower maximum width, less taper of the lower fairing, and allowing the nose to protrude less far forward will take away easy sources of downforce. But factory aero engineers will find other ways of generating usable downforce, and it is unlikely they will have much effect on the ground effect fairings and downwash ducts.
What we can expect is that the bikes will look as if they have less aero on them, when viewed from the perspective of 2024. But the aero they do have will be different, and will be doing slightly different things.
The goal of Dorna was to reduce aero for 2027, but not eliminate it entirely. Aerodynamics is what sets MotoGP apart from WorldSBK, and makes the bikes look special (whether that is special in the ugly sense or special in the magical sense is up to the eye of the beholder).
Will the 850cc MotoGP bikes in 2027 follow in the path of the 800cc bikes of two decades previously? Will corner speed be king and bikes be as fast as ever? We won't know for sure until they actually hit the track, of course, but it looks like the rules have been designed to try to focus on acceleration rather than corner speed, torque rather than power. The removal of ride-height devices will put more into the hands of the rider, and the removal of holeshot devices will make starts more difficult, and reduce the importance of qualifying on the front row.
Seen from the viewpoint of 12 hours after the rules were announced, there is reason for cautious optimism. But if there is one lesson we have learned from MotoGP over the years, it is that manufacturers find holes in the rules to exploit, and find avenues to explore that we have not yet imagined. Placing restrictions on engineers is one of the best ways of stimulating their creativity. I for one am eager to find out what creations they will come up with.
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In reply to nice by raffles
Right raffles? Another…
Right raffles? Another goodie. I am a bit optimistic. Here comes some more rideability, not needing to come from electronics. So we might think that this puts more into the rider's right hand?
One thought that pops up at times is the balance of the tires. Over simplified of course, but if in 2018 or what have you DORNA said "ok, well if not an amazing new front tire coming next yr to match the exceptional rear, what if we go for a rear that has slightly less grip to match the front?" Call me a simpleton, but maybe the two you know whats may not have come.
"Good riddance to squat devices and excessive aero. I volunteer to put them to rest behind the barn with my shotgun."
WaveyD seems like you don't think they've gone far enough on the aero. I am frankly not sharp enough to figure that out. Hoping not, and that as it falls together as a package the downforce is back a huge step.
Last niggle, front tire pressure rule...how does that fit into the puzzle synergistically w the rest?
Cheers
In reply to Right raffles? Another… by Motoshrink
Front tire pressure rule…
Front tire pressure rule will still be in place, but without the ride-height devices, there will be less load on the front. And with less aero on the rear (and a bit less aero in general), there will be less temperature effect while following.
In reply to nice by raffles
+1
Totally agree.
will this welcome in
a new era of incredible stratospheric highsides? Remains to be seen.....
Excellently summarized
Thank you.
Great analysis! Also, what does "sharing GPS data" actually mean
Thank you David for the many insights into how the 2027 regulations are so much more than just a change in maximum displacement. So many little devils in all those details!
Can you shed any light on what kind of data is meant by "sharing GPS data" from all the teams? Everything from the IMU? More than that?
In reply to Great analysis! Also, what does "sharing GPS data" actually mean by Merlin
Sharing GPS data is just…
Sharing GPS data is just that: speed and position recorded by GPS. Unclear whether we can get it too.
In reply to Great analysis! Also, what does "sharing GPS data" actually mean by Merlin
GPS
I heard that they're going to make the teams purchase TimingPass and be done with it.
In reply to GPS by D999
Only if they purchase the…
Only if they purchase the videopasses for both Motogp and WSBK also.
I am sad that they didn't…
I am sad that they didn't ban aero entirely for one simple reason - for me they make the bikes just so revoltingly ugly.
In reply to I am sad that they didn't… by ColonelClaw
Not possible
Banning aero is impossible unless you impose mandatory chassis patterns like NASCAR or something.
In reply to Not possible by Ppparkinson9
I don’t understand…
…your conclusion. If they have managed to reduce aero surfaces via the latest proposal, why can the same not be applied to eliminate wings entirely?
I get that the complete motorcycle is an “aero” device but eliminating aero “projections” would not be difficult.
Cautious optimism.
Apparently I used that title for a comment before....
My biggest hope is that these changes quell the endless whinging about the bikes. The commentary from the peanut gallery has bordered on unbearable. I think people's main (and IMO legitimate) gripe is just how ugly the bikes have become. I mean as an engineer I kind of like seeing them work, and personally I wish they'd lean more into the ride height devices by controlling them (and the suspension valving in general) through the ECU. But as a human being with working eyes the pre-aero bikes are much prettier. (Though to a degree they kind of look like Moto2 bikes)
I do think the displacement cap was a mistake though. An implicit power cap through the use of the new spec fuel + a fuel flow limit would have made things a lot more interesting engine wise. Give the engineers full freedom to find the best compromise for their package. To me all displacement & bore limits do is guarantee that Ducati maintains engine superiority through their more efficient valvetrain, as literally all else is equal. I would love to see, for example, KTM bring out a huge V-twin, or Yamaha stroke out their I4 to trade revs for more torque and average power. Along with the ability to do stuff like variable valve timing, and if they aren't using it already, displacement on demand to really fine tune power just off throttle.
So I think there are some missed opportunities to make the racing better, while also satiating the engineers and tech dweebs like me. But if these changes can get people to stop whining about how ugly the bikes are and how "little passing" there is then that's enough of a win for me. Though it looks like Casey Stoner has already fired up the complaint cannon. I guess we'll see if Mat Oxley joins him or lets it go.
In reply to Cautious optimism. by CTK
It's gonna be a bright, bright, bright...
With the greatest respect to Casey, I'm fairly certain he could see the dark side of the sun.
The reticence of the FIM/Dorna to grasp the aero nettle continues to frustrate me. It's the most bottomless of bottomless pits and any time watching four wheelers will show your where it leads. A stream of vehicles unable to operate outside of their own little bubble, circulating the track at 5 second intervals. Moto GP hasn't got that far yet, but with the shape shifters gone that money's going into even more refined aero. LMP1 (and now Hypercar) has shown that you can have genuine prototypes with reigned in aero that's still both effective and interesting. Moto GP would do well to study their rules around maximum total downforce vs minimum allowable drag, it makes for some fascinating compromises (and one Peugeot shaped dud).
In reply to It's gonna be a bright, bright, bright... by J N H
Agreed!
Thinking of all the cost saving measures over the years: the number of cylinders, the bore size, bans on exotic materials, the spec ecu etc etc but to then allow the “most bottomless of bottomless pits” (great term!) just blows my mind.
Instead of allowing cheap dual clutch gearboxes which would benefit every manufacturer and potentially every bike buyer, and are illegal, we have seamless gearboxes with no real world application that cost the GDP of a small Pacific nation.
Active/electronic suspension is just a glorious thing in my car and appearing on some bikes, but again we’re stuck with highly sophisticated but ultimately antiquated mechanical systems in Motogp.
Variable valve timing, a la dearly missed but not forgotten Suzuki, was nice in centrifugally operated form…but would be nicer again if electronic control were legal, which it’s not.
So, I’m at a loss as to why aero is the golden child that can do no wrong. It does nothing to differentiate Motogp from Superbikes, if you think so you clearly have not seen a recent Superbike:
The irony is Motogp came about because 500cc GP was deemed irrelevant, too far removed from road bike application…..now here we are, apparently too close to road bikes, hence the need to differentiate. The wheel has come full circle, we basically need 500cc 2 bangers again to reintroduce something exotic, lol.
In reply to Agreed! by Seven4nineR
Hear, hear.
I couldn't agree more.
In reply to Agreed! by Seven4nineR
12 hours after reading this comment
"The wheel has come full circle, we basically need 500cc 2 bangers again to reintroduce something exotic"
I'm still chuckling to myself.
In reply to It's gonna be a bright, bright, bright... by J N H
But Aero is a Thing
The wings and added aero bits have been on the MotoGP bikes since 2016. So for about eight years now, and there's literally a generation of (more recent) fans that have only known of them with aero. Oldies like me still get pleasure from the smell and screams of an angry two stroke, but the 500’s are long gone. Things change, and if Dorna etc are on a mission to grow the popularity of the sport, they probably need to maintain the visual continuity as well. Crazy thought I know. I imagine if next years F1 cars had no aero stuff and resembled old open wheelers their fans would probably go elsewhere . . . to MotoGP :)
On a side note, many blamed the aero/tyres for the lack of overtaking, but perhaps that was actually due to too many older riders becoming complacent, or more specifically a lack of new hungry riders entering the grid. Is it coincidental that when Acosta arrives, Marc gets a decent bike, and there's a couple of hungry younger guys on Ducati's desperate to make it, that we get great racing? Most of the Ducati's are fighting, two KTMs are fighting for survival, and Aprilia have been shown that a good rider is the difference. Just sayin'.
In reply to But Aero is a Thing by Morgs
Wonderful dream
:-)
In reply to Cautious optimism. by CTK
Formula Xtreme...
Was very cool... I love differing designs, engines, and seeing how it shakes out. But...
At this top level, I can believe that having all the bikes with similar 850cc engines (either straight or v4) will likely be the best way to ensure all are operating close together at the very pointy end of performance ensuring closer racing like we generally have today.
Having huge V-twins being better at one track, and smaller high revving v-4's at another, while interesting may not suffice in the above.
So I did some quick math…
So I did some quick math with some basic assumptions. The front aero width is reduced from 600 mm to 550 mm, which is an 8.3% reduction(*). Assuming a given area of wing's ability to generate downforce is equal between rule sets, that means if today's front wings generate 200 lb downforce (arbitrary assumption for the sake of discussion), 2027's front wings will generate 183.4 lb downforce.
Scaling the Dorna photo above, the 50 mm setback of the front wing changes the effective lever arm (rear wheel axle to front wing tip) from ~1,750 mm to ~1,700 mm, for an approximate 3.1% reduction in the lever arm that generates the anti-wheelie moment around the rear axle.
Taking the 8.3% reduction in downforce and applying the 3.1% reduction in lever arm yields a net 11.0% reduction in the overall anti-wheelie moment generated around the rear axle. To put some numbers on it, you're looking at a roughly 1,148 lb*ft (2024) vs 1,023 lb*ft (2027) anti-wheelie moment based on the original 200 lb downforce assumption.
(*) Since some of that width is the nose of the fairing and not all of the width will be wing, the 8.3% reduction might be on the low side since the effective wing width may not be 550 mm in 2027. If, say, only 400 mm of the overall 600 mm width today yields effective wing area, that would mean the 2027 regs would yield a 12.5% reduction in downforce (350 mm vs 400 mm effective wing width as opposed to 550 mm vs 600 mm overall wing width.).
In reply to So I did some quick math… by Dirt
Thanks for that Dirt…
Thanks for that Dirt. Interesting numbers. Also, with less power and more torque, there will be less benefit from the aero, and more downside.
In reply to Thanks for that Dirt… by David Emmett
Clarification required?
Hey David, can you organise another clandestine contact with your engineering “Deepthroat”? This “more torque” statement doesn’t quite ring true for me, although admittedly I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed.
I’m thinking an 850 will make more torque/litre but not more outright torque.
Eg, a GSXR750 makes 86Nm from a bore/stroke of 70 x48.7mm. That bore stroke ratio is 1.43, not hugely different to a GSXR1000 at 1.38 (76 x 55mm). Both make that peak turning force at near enough to 10.8krpm.
So add in another lovin’ spoonful of torque for a mythical GSXR850 (GSXR 750 with the 1000’s 55mm stroke = 847cc) and you’ll get a healthy bump….say 100-ish Nm?
A GSXR1000 turns the world to the tune of 120Nm. I doubt even Smokey Yunick would promise anything like that from an 850, no matter what he could read between the lines of the rulebook.
But it’s racing not trucking, we want to go fast not just pull heavy things. So hp remains the name of the game. I mean what is the definition of hp? Hp is literally “the rate at which work is done” which coincidentally is pretty much the definition of racing.
In reply to Clarification required? by Seven4nineR
"More torque"
My engineering deep throat is my uncle, who tuned the Len Manchester bikes in the late 70s and through the 1980s, his F2 Yamaha RD350LC winning the TT one year. His bikes won a whole host of championships and race series.
But the fault is mine. I was using shorthand. When I write "more torque", what I mean is "more of an emphasis on torque rather than horsepower". The combination of a narrower bore and accompanying narrower valves, and reduced gear ratios means that the engines will tend to produce a wider torque curve across a bigger rev range. This is in contrast to the peaky 800s, which were all top end but needed to be kept in the right rev range.
The other thing is that with the loss of the "free acceleration" provided by ride-height devices, drive out of corners will be less, so there is more to be gained by optimizing drive on corner exit, as that is the biggest loss. Pretty much since 2004, the Yamahas have been able to keep up with the much more powerful V4s because they could get better drive out of corners. By the time the Ducatis and Hondas could use the 30hp advantage they had, the Yamahas would be halfway down the straight. As Paul Trevathan explained to us last year or so, the factories aren't measuring top speed, they are measuring time from corner entry to corner exit. There are a lot of ways of achieving that, not just outright horsepower.
Edited to add: it's not really about torque as such. It's really about thrust, because thrust is what is translated into acceleration. Factories were using ride-height devices to generate thrust. Gearing is the traditional way to produce thrust. But gear ratio choices have been reduced and ride-height devices are gone. So you have to find thrust from somewhere else.
In reply to "More torque" by David Emmett
Thanks for the clarification
Torque/HP discussions are often muddled by unclear verbiage, so your explanation helps. "More" in an engineering sense could mean either a higher peak number or more area under the curve, and the 850s will obviously have less by either measure. So knowing what you meant is good. :)
As always, thanks for your great work.
In reply to "More torque" by David Emmett
Thanks mate!
Gawd, please don’t get me started on “Elsies” and their RZ offspring, lol. Love those things! I can remember being in the early years of high school and positively swooning when a mate, via a real life physical magazine, showed me a picture of the new RZ350….I didn’t think it possible to get closer to a GP bike! Current small twin offerings hold nothing like their charisma or performance.
Oops sorry, tangent much?
Thanks for the clarification. Yes, no longer will the manufacturers be able to rely on sheer cubes for that instantaneous grunt. As it is they basically have an excess everywhere that they need to modulate, where soon they may find themselves in the unusual position of looking for something they don’t have. Having to actually think about the spread of power/torque and maximise the same sounds like a good thing for real world bike development.
Your “thrust” term sums it up perfectly, thank you. Be it anti-wheelie, engine configuration (big bang, long bang etc), crank rotation, or simple mechanical grip…..it needs to result in the bike going forward.
Thanks for the insight re Factories not looking at top speed, it makes perfect sense since Yamaha “improved” (ahem!) their engine to match the other big players…only to be slower around a whole lap.
In reply to So I did some quick math… by Dirt
Surface area is just one variable in downforce
Changing the attack angle, shape, and profile could easily produce the same or more downforce. All of these would effect drag in various ways.
In reply to Surface area is just one variable in downforce by Scrambler
If you made the same down force on a smaller wing,
the drag would go up.
Because, if it didn't then Gigi would make the wings smaller...
In reply to If you made the same down force on a smaller wing, by nickridiculous
The aerodynamicists will be working overtime.
They will be looking for ways to cancel that drag on the straights. A riders body position could partially do it. Something that introduces a little turbulence, at a given speed in the right location, could as well (speed activated leak in ducting to air box or from radiator?). It could be a passive area in the body work that goes from near laminar to turbulent flow at a given air pressure. Fertile minds will be in demand. There are multitudes more ways to manage airflow around a bike and rider than Paul Simon found to leave his lover. Casey Stoner is likely correct that the ride height ban is the meaningful rule change.
In reply to The aerodynamicists will be working overtime. by Scrambler
You're drag reduction…
You're drag reduction comments made me think of the Britten V1000 and it's integrated under-tank-under-seat radiator. The man was serious about reducing drag, though I dare say he sacrificed some power with the motor intake setup. I recall reading he left the bottom half unfaired because adding a streamlined faring increased drag (I assume because of the increased frontal area). What an absolutely exquisite race bike.
The link is a very interesting video: https://youtu.be/4MbvMqNAFVY?feature=shared
In reply to You're drag reduction… by Dirt
If a motorcycle Genie gave me one wish,
It would be a Britten. He was such a brilliant mind and entrepreneur. Regardless of rule sets, people like John will always find ways to create something special.
In reply to You're drag reduction… by Dirt
The Britten
Is still my favourite bike ever. Innovative and creative engineering all around, not just on a single aspect but really considered from the bike as a whole. Brilliant.
In reply to You're drag reduction… by Dirt
I do remember reading in an…
I do remember reading in an interview while the great man was still alive that the motor was narrower than the rear tyre so a fairing wasnot needed, what a magnificent piece of engineering
In reply to So I did some quick math… by Dirt
In line with what I…
In line with what I guestimated. Not big changes. Some will complain about bikes and some will complain about the rules....no big difference either. Maybe keeping the aero is the price of concessions. At least the drag bikes will be gone.
In reply to So I did some quick math… by Dirt
Reduced bore may affect it too
Dirt, thanks for the numbers - very interesting.
However, the bore reduction of 6mm per cillinder could negate the effect of the aero size reduction to a certain degree, interestingly more so for Yamahas since the're the only ones with inline engines. This is of course assuming the width of the inner surface of the fairing could be reduced.
In reply to Reduced bore may affect it too by Alex
Yes and no
In theory an IL4 should be wider than a V4 but the limititation these days comes from radiator size/cooling area, not engine width. The Britten solution may be more prescient than than we ever realised…
In reply to Yes and no by Seven4nineR
As much as I would like to…
As much as I would like to see an innovative cooling solution similar to the Britten, I expect the need for a large and specifically designed air box (i.e. HP generator) to trump any internal drag reducing radiator ducting.
Ride-height and hole shot devices,
are in use because there is time to be earned on a lap by dynamically changing the Center of gravity (Cg) of the bike according to where you are on the track: Lower Cg under acceleration, higher while turning and somewhere in the middle under braking.
By banning these devices, the racing departments will for sure try to explore other means to achieve the same result.
All bikes already have a large mass that can be moved around to change the combined Cg: The rider. If you can’t lower the bike, what about lowering the rider on the bike? Are dynamic seats or foot pegs outside the rules? What about a stepped seat, positioning the rider lower and more forward at the start and out of turns – does the rules regulate the shape of the seat?
The riders already move their Cg lateral in turns – why not explore moving it up-down or back-forward? It certainly will demand a superhuman strength, but for those riders able to do it, there could be an advantage – will we see even more athletic riders under the new rules, maybe bigger and heavier as having more mass to move around may outweighs the negatives?
Or if it’s too much to ask from the rider, could we see seats be mechanical altered just as the suspension linkage is today?
I guess the root of the issue is the abnormal traction from the Michelin rear slick currently in use in motoGP. With a normal tire on a traditional race bike the Cg is more or less optimal: It gives optimal acceleration without ether to much spinning or too much wheelies. With the current rear slick however, there is enough traction to let you wheelie – not spinning – even as your bike is as low as a dragster. Hence the ride height devices (and wings). Without that rear slick as I understand it, they would not have much purpose?
So, if the tire is kept, but the devises are banned - and we don’t take into account the possibility of the rider moving around - a new bike balance must be found. To exploit that extra rear traction, you can either move the Cg forward or downward – or you can make the bike longer. Having the Cg too much forward gives poor braking, so you are left with lower or longer. Even without moving the rider around, it is still the combined Cg between bike and rider that matters, so seating position – even it static - is definitely a factor. Will we se longer bikes with the riders in a lower position – or shorter bikes with low Cg with riders more on top? – not to mention that you still have to stop and turn the bike….
I find these new rules very intriguing as all the factories will now have to decide on a new concept for exploiting all this rear traction without the use of a bike-shapeshifter. The choice of concept will be a gamble with huge consequences as the hole architecture of your bike will be influenced by this choice and not easy to change afterwards. Who will win and who will lose under these new rules. What factories and what riders? The cards are shuffled and delt anew.
Seeking the Advantage
Excellent analysis. Thank you.
Smokey Yunick is said to have defined racing as "pursuit the unfair advantage". I would modify that after reading this piece to, "racing is the pursuit of the unanticipated advantage and exploiting that".
Now to the far side of the tent with these proposed regulations; would that suggest that Yamaha and Honda may not really need a high end, big ticket rider to develop an aero liter bike when the 850, less aero is on the horizon? I think these possible rules changes toss a good sized wrench into the gears that will be silly season.
The simplest advantages are used until outlawed or surpassed.
This has been true as long as racing has been in existence. New rules virtually always lead to more complex engineering becoming the new “simplest solutions”. Ducati wings were originally pretty simple in comparison to contemporary ones. Smaller ones will require more modeling and investment, but the desire to win will make it happen. Less horsepower may negate some of the gains that will be needed, but getting low drag downforce will still be an advantage. Someone will get a wheelie control advantage through innovation and the circus will commence.
Great Article…
…that has clarified the rule changes and their rationale for me. As a non-techno the crunching of numbers and scientific expositions by smart Mutterers left my head spinning.
Reveal today: 2025 KTM 990 RC R
Fresh news, interesting to most and a big deal to some including me. KTM is announcing their brand new 990 RC R today. MotoGP derived elements, doing something familiar in a fresh manner. (I want to emulate the riding position on my Triumph if possible). Ready to Race in Supersport, and you are ready to ride it more comfortably and longer. Not just a Duke with a fairing. Will have a track only model avail as well as a plated one. Details below. I am excited, been anticipating this a long time, further back than you would guess to just hoping for it.
Cycleworld article:
https://www.cycleworld.com/bikes/kmt-990-rc-r-first-look/
13 min video with LOTS of good info (around the 8 min mark has insight re the class and how this bike stakes its claim in it). Eager to see it do its thing in race trim. Help me spot it? They are wild carding it in various Euro races THIS year apparently. Beat the Ducati and Yamaha, Orange!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jy8vzJmI0bQ&pp=ygULS3RtIDk5MCByY3I%3D
In reply to Reveal today: 2025 KTM 990 RC R by Motoshrink
Hey Shrink….
….interesting that this bike will produce 123 hp and my MV Agusta 800 triple produces 140 hp. Just saying.
In reply to Hey Shrink…. by Rusty Trumpet
I think it will make more HP…
I think it will make more HP than 123 even in stock trim. I scoffed at that writer's guess when reading. Started to ponder a thoughtful HP estimate to write but paused for other matters. Expecting the race version to make plenty of good usable power and be a handling masterpiece.
(I ADORE the MV Agusta 800cc Triple btw! Cheering it on wholeheartedly. Most curious about this Yamaha R9 coming but grimacing that it is likely a big R7 and will undewhelm, hope I'm wrong. If right I will love to hate it. Cheers!)
I'm not sure it's a given…
I'm not sure it's a given that less power leads to less aero needed. Stopping quicker still works best with downforce and drag. Imagining the whole system as downsized in proportion doesn't ring true. More downforce, better acceleration, better braking, regardless of the motor. I'm still not sure there is a straight on the calendar which would penalise 'excess' downforce/drag. The less draggy bike might just, maybe, pull back a little. Changes, or lack of, in ride height and pitch, might swing that though. Bikes about to get very soft again maybe.
Cecchinelli said the…
Cecchinelli said the simplest way to reduce carbon footprint with maximum effect is to just not go racing. The same could be said about implementing maximum safety. But then what to do with the vicarious desire for exotic two-wheeled racing?
There must be a way to circumvent the squat device rules.
The 2027 Concessions
Why didn't they allow at least one engine upgrade in 2027 as its the first year? On one hand it is fantastic that MotoGP's engineers and creative minds have a new set of challenges, however I can't help but wonder if having them restricted by the Category B engine freeze is a mistake. On paper its only a reduction in bore and a slight change in stroke, plus they have less gear options. These create their own challenges to achieve and maximize the desired performance characteristics. That success or failing is often something that only becomes apparent on the track. The computer modelling and Dyno may look fantastic until you discover what your competitors have. Remember 2017 when Suzuki got it wrong (flywheel weight?). Imagine how Suzuki felt after the first couple of races having invested all of that money only to discover they were stuck with an uncompetitive engine for the whole year. From that point on there was little they could do to satisfy sponsors, fans and shareholders. Or even last year when FQ20 realized the faster Yamaha wasn't fast enough. We are currently witnessing Yamaha and Honda rebuilding, and fortunately their concessions enable development. With the restricted number of testing days available surely it would make more sense to allow everyone to have one engine upgrade early or mid season to help ensure that everyone is competitive.
In reply to The 2027 Concessions by Morgs
Great thought on one engine change
Whether you are a fan of a make or rider, weathering a lost season is a lot less fun. It’s certainly not to MotoGP’s interest to have new fans doing this. If people get into the sport because of Acosta, this is certainly a possibility in 2027.
In reply to The 2027 Concessions by Morgs
If you miss by a lot, the rules appear allow for upgrade?
From the prior article- "Concessions will be recalculated after the first half of the season, using only the 2027 results." It looks like Dorna is giving half the season for teams to figure out the new software and then can then reassign concession levels. I haven't read Dorna's own details, but doesn't this mean that if you do very poorly and can't get on the podium for the first half, you could be dropped down to D and get an engine upgrade? Likely everyone will be working on the next year's engine from the beginning of the season with what little data has accumulated in case they will get to use it late season.
I'll wait for the vastly more knowledgeable mutterers to say if I have this right or wrong, but I hope this is right.
In reply to If you miss by a lot, the rules appear allow for upgrade? by DefTechDP
Good pickup
Thanks. That makes sense.
There are many claims made
in the middle of this article regarding the affect of a reduced bore on engine performance. The claims are supported with reasoning which may appear intuitive to the reader. I am sure some of the most advanced technical and engineering minds in the world will be at work to create a the highest performing engines under the rules as proposed. In the end I think that's the only thing one can consider with any certainty regardless of the logic at the start.
I am personally sad to see the move to dictate bore. More engine design freedom with a further reduction in fuel would provide greater room for creativity both for the engineers and designers. I also assume they must be 4 cylinder engines. I'm also surprised to see no mention of hybrid systems. Wonder if these can be adopted or we be outlawed. Allowing the manufacturers to develop and use there own designs would be very interesting. Please, no F1 style directives.
In reply to There are many claims made by Joshua Melanson
4 cyl
Hiya Joshua M! Yes indeedy rules include 4 cyl.
:(
I think it is going to go ok generally in the balance of things.
In reply to There are many claims made by Joshua Melanson
Fifteen percent reduction in volume will be…
Something less than a 15% loss in power will occur simply because of greater volumetric efficiency. The power density of the liter package is already extremely high for normally aspirated engines, however. Other efficiency gains will likely be marginal. The bore restriction hurts what could be done for flow efficiency in several ways. I expect about an 8-11% power loss, without accounting for new fuel effects which could go either way. The minimum weight rule could mess with what could be done to more effectively use that lesser amount of power.
In reply to Fifteen percent reduction in volume will be… by Scrambler
Could it also be that…
Could it also be that current bikes have more power than is usable? Nix squat devices, dial the aero back a step, and bring a 12% peak HP drop. Then ease up on the electronics intervening. Doubt "the full beans" are being used that much!
My non engineering mind is surprisingly ok with where this is going. More in the rider's hands, less NASA tech. Okey doke here.
The economy may be about to hit another 2008. As early as Fall. This pops up in mind as folks talk of expansion via BMW entering etc. Last go around was Claiming Rule Teams and Honda murmuring of leaving. That was just as difficult as our 800cc blunder in my book, but also the shift that took us in course to the glorious 2017 on era rulebook and trancend the "a few Factory Hondas and Yamahas win everything" scourge.
Tis an interesting and dynamic beast this series. Hey, any friends catching the NW 200 right now? Lots of good stuff going on! Enjoying a few youngsters. And perhaps better yet, notice a few good old names not far from the top of the sheet? McGuiness is strong on his Superbike. McWilliams same in Supersport! There's a Gary McCoy too, but barely old enough to shave and walks without a limp which was disappointing. No offence kid, but you had me excited for a moment when your helmet was on. I'm liking Peter Hickman, and Davey Todd is starting to get my cheers too. Good racing going on!
:)
2027 Rules
Right now the racing in MotoGP is better than ever. The good thing about 2027 is that everybody will have to bring a new bike. Plus BMW seems to want on the grid too. That probably means that there will be a bigger spread in bike and rider performance. If so, that means poorer racing at least for a couple seasons. Not such a good thing... But they have to stop the speed gains somehow, and the new rules should achieve that according to David's terrific analysis. I am optimistic, but I wish the new rules were for 2025 and not 2027.
In reply to 2027 Rules by rholcomb
Slower bikes?
The Moto 3 bikes are already faster at some tracks than the two-stroke 500s were, believe it or not. Let's try leaving Moto 3 as it is, two-cylinder 500s for Moto 2, and rung what you brung for 750 cc Moto GP without any restrictions except fuel flow. Why not?