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Busy Two Days Of Testing At Misano Earlier This Week

By David Emmett | Sat, 24/Aug/2024 - 17:53

It has been a busy week for the Misano World Circuit. A wide selection of riders from the MotoGP paddock were on track on Tuesday and Wednesday, on a variety of machines. There were test riders, MotoGP riders, and Moto2 riders, some testing and some training ready for the race here in two weeks time.

Four MotoGP manufacturers were present. KTM had test rider Dani Pedrosa, while Ducati had Michele Pirro. For Yamaha, Monster Energy riders Fabio Quartararo and Alex Rins were present, along with temporary test rider Andrea Dovizioso. Dovizioso had been brought in to replace Yamaha's official test rider Cal Crutchlow, who is still recovering from complications to a hand injury. For HRC, Repsol Honda riders Luca Marini and Joan Mir attended on Wednesday, with a long list of things to test.

Yamaha were at the track for two days, testing a new aero package and the updated engine which both Quartararo and Rins praised after a previous test. The objective is to test it again at the Misano test, with the hope of introducing it after that. The engine sacrifices peak horsepower for rideability, and gives the M1 back some of its ease of changing direction, which got lost when the factory started chasing more power.

The Yamaha's biggest problem remains an inability to use the available grip. And it does not look like this is an issue the Japanese factory has been able to solve. After the test, Fabio Quartararo posted a photo on his Instagram account, along with the jokey comment "If someone have some grip to sell, let me know".

Honda had a lot of parts to test, Luca Marini told journalists after the Austrian GP. "Looks like we will have quite a busy day," the Repsol Honda rider told us on Sunday after the Austrian race. "There's something on the aerodynamics side, that for me is now the area where we need to work more. I hope that they understood the ground effect and how the other manufacturers are able to make the bike turn and stop in a very good way. So for me that will be the main target, finish the test with a good aero package. Then I think we will have something, maybe a swingarm, something in the swingarm, and also maybe a frame, or for the chassis maybe we have to wait until after the Misano test, something like this."

Marini emphasized that though there were a lot of new parts coming, this did not equate to a new motorcycle. "Honestly, very little details," he explained. "So everything is new but not a completely new project. It's slightly better more or less every time, every update. But really little difference. So if you are going to bring the bike of the start of the season here - maybe not for me because I didn't like it, but maybe for Zarco - the difference would be very close."

Something more significant is due to come for the Hondas at the Misano test, Marini told us. "There is something that can be big, but I never tried it on a bike. So there is something. We will see after I have tried it. Can be a good improvement, or a very bad thing. So let's wait for the moment that we are going to try that part."

In addition to the MotoGP bikes, there were other machines there as well. Pedro Acosta was riding a Moto2 machine around Misano, working on the WP suspension which all of the Pierer Mobility Group teams (Ajo, Aspar, Liqui Moly) have been using. Mattia Pasini was also there for Boscoscuro, as well as Matteo Ferrari for the QJMOTOR Gresini squad.

The VR46 Riders Academy also took advantage of the track. Pecco Bagnaia, Franco Morbidelli, and Marco Bezzecchi were all riding Ducati Panigales at the track, while Valentino Rossi was back on two wheels, riding his Yamaha R1M around Misano.

For Yamaha and Honda, progress at the test will be imperative. Once we arrive at Aragon, we will have a chance to quiz the riders present on how the test went.

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David, can you expand…

Rusty Trumpet
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6 months 3 weeks ago
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…on Acosta riding a Moto 2 bike. Is it specifically about improving KTM’s Moto 2 bike or the suspension generally. Seems an unusual move.

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In reply to David, can you expand… by Rusty Trumpet

Acosta can’t ride a MotoGP…

Mick-e
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Acosta can’t ride a MotoGP bike, and KTM don’t have a full size sport bike, the Kramer Rc8 thing being the closest.
So a moto 2 bike is the next best thing to ride on track for personal training.

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In reply to Acosta can’t ride a MotoGP… by Mick-e

I doubt it’s about personal…

Matonge
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6 months 3 weeks ago
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I doubt it’s about personal training.

This is a perfect occasion for KTM having a top quality rider who just came off the bike using Öhlins the previous couple of years assessing their WP suspension, comparing his feedback with that of current Moto2 riders using it, Vietti and Dixon especially. Giving them ideas for setups but also refinements to the product as such.

But I could be wrong.

 

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In reply to I doubt it’s about personal… by Matonge

I heard they wanted him to…

Motoshrink
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6 months 3 weeks ago
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I heard they wanted him to develop the Moto2 and he wanted to ride.

He ALSO got a custom RC8 with no fairings on it of all things to blast around tracks for training.


Check TNT Sports/Neil Hodgeson on Twitter - just posted a video. He rode the KTM GP bike before last wknd's races. Blew his damn mind. He contrasts it w 8 yrs ago Ducati he last rode and other bikes he's ridden. Interesting and fun.

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In reply to I doubt it’s about personal… by Matonge

That's what I read somewhere…

WaveyD1974
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6 months 3 weeks ago
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That's what I read somewhere or heard on some podcast.

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MotoGP rider on a Moto2 bike

AussieRivermark
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I have never, ever heard of a current MotoGP rider doing testing laps on a Moto2 bike. Is it an official day for KTM? Or is it a clever way to get around the MotoGP testing restriction rules? 

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In reply to MotoGP rider on a Moto2 bike by AussieRivermark

Unusual indeed. No rules…

Motoshrink
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Unusual indeed. No rules against it. Was an regular KTM test.

(He likely has great feedback, yeah? Who better to test it?)

:)

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I really don't envy Jarvis or Puig.

tony g
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6 months 3 weeks ago
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Imagine how those blokes felt when they could seen their team's competitiveness fade away and not being able to convince the factories that they had not only become uncompetitive in the short term, but their whole methodology and mindset needed to change. I saw a satire of Mastermind once, and the person who won nominated their special subject as '...the bleeding obvious.' It's one of the 21st century tropes that almost every forecast of doom or despair is ignored till it is too damn late. Let's hope it's better late than never here. 

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To be fair…

Seven4nineR
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6 months 3 weeks ago
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…I can see Jarvis and Puig seeing their competitiveness leak away but not really having an idea of how to arrest it.  It’s only as time has gone by that outside people/journalists/engineers have investigated the way Europe vs Japan operate. 

And Puig/Jarvis are the tail of the engineering dog, they can’t wag the rest of HRC/YMR.

They are the motogp warfare equivalent of the frontline commanders telling the fruit salad laden brigadiers in HQ what they need, only for the message to get completely garbled or worse, ignored. It normally takes a massive defeat, with untold casualties, for the message to finally hit home. 

The question has to be asked: are we there yet, or is there worse to come? I mean, can anyone genuinely say Yamaha and/or Honda are catching up?

 

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no they are not

Taffmeister
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6 months 3 weeks ago
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No, they are not catching up.  But, Ducati are taking 10-15-20 seconds off at each MotoGP race length and everyone else is stood still.  Did I read that last year BB was 1 second faster over race distance in Austria and came second.  This year he was a second slower and fifth some 18 seconds behiind the winner.  

Ducati have taken complete advantage of the nbew grip levels offered while Yamaha were struggling with the old rear Michelin so lord knows what troubles they have now.  Is it really only 24 months ago that Fabio had a huge lead in the world title chase?  Incredible!!!

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In reply to no they are not by Taffmeister

DNA

Seven4nineR
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Yes, Peter Bom on the great Oxley Bom Motogp Podcast explains it quite eloquently: Ducati have always had “the rear tyre does 2 jobs” as part of their DNA (apologies to Peter for butchering his eloquence!), while Yamaha/Honda have mostly seen  it as only having one. Riders have obviously come and gone with differing attitudes around using the rear brake but by and large the Japanese bikes weren’t designed to maximise the rear: the front brake’s and turns the bike, the rear accelerates the bike, end of story. The Honda/Marquez force of nature for so many years was all about the front, Rossi/Lorenzo/Morbidelli/Quartararo all challenged for/won championships via the M1’s unrivalled turn-ability.
Not so long ago you could win a World Championship and never touch the rear brake. No longer. 
And it just so happens the things that help accelerate a +300hp projectile, long ‘n low” geometry, also allow you to use more rear brake. 
Bridgestone of course reinforced the Japanese ideology with their incredible front/crap rear tyre paradigm. 
Flip the story, with Michelin’s ordinary front/amazing rear, and Ducati found themselves with a unique advantage, when Gigi opened Pandora’s aero box the advantage was compounded. 
 

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In reply to DNA by Seven4nineR

Yes 749R and

Apical
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Have to agree Seven4nineR. Traditionally Ducatis have always been designed to use rear brake & engine braking.

Ducati has an arrangement with Megaride. They do simulations and help to evaluate tyres. Give feedback regarding how various settings effect the life of the Michelins.

Aragon starting soon. Practice on Friday, no?

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The Michelin rear in Austria…

WaveyD1974
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The Michelin rear in Austria was different again. The heat resistant rear with the new compounds. The new rear compounds have fallen squarely in Ducati's favour but it could have fallen foul. Initially it seemed to, early season chatter etc. In 2020 the then new rear helped Yamaha with edge and led to Yamaha winning more races than anyone in that year and helped Fabio to the title the following year. Without injury it may well have fallen in Marc's favour too. He certainly looked good in Jerez before braking his arm. Ducati struggled, dropping the front at the the first hint of trouble for the next two plus years. The first half of 2022 did not look like Ducati's year. This year they've done a better job adapting and/or they got lucky. New tyres can shake things up in unexpected ways. A new front please.

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Yamaha got any more jobs like Cal's?

Ibis117
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6 months 3 weeks ago
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I could not ride a Yamaha for much less than they pay him.

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In reply to Yamaha got any more jobs like Cal's? by Ibis117

Hand

RichDesmond
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6 months 3 weeks ago
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Sure, but we will have to take a hammer to your hand first... :)

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