The premier class show in Mandalika started with a traditional dance on the grid and ended with a traditional Martin parade to the top step of the podium. The poleman rode a faultless race, out of reach of any rival and avenged his sprint mistake with a return to the winning ways. Martin’s advantage at the chequered flag was almost a second and a half over Pedro Acosta, who in turn performed wonderfully to secure second place – despite a tyre pressure investigation clouding his podium celebrations. Pecco Bagnaia’s troubles off the line continued but the world champion kept his cool and recovered to take the final place on the podium.
Martin had no such trouble, making a great launch from pole to stay in control at the first corner, while Enea Bastianini and Acosta quickly got ahead of Bagnaia. Front row starter Marco Bezzecchi dropped to 5th, with Franco Morbidelli climbing into 6th and Marc Marquez attacking Fabio Quartararo for 7th position early on. Bagnaia’s early struggles continued, both Bezzecchi and Morbidelli getting past into turn 16 and the world champion dropped to 6th, under the watchful eye of Marc Marquez. Fabio Di Giannantonio, Johann Zarco and Maverick Viñales made the early top 10, while Quartararo faded to 13th. A crash at turn two for Jack Miller took himself, as well as Aleix Espargaro, Alex Marquez and Luca Marini out of the race on the opening lap.
By lap 3, Martin had stretched an eight-tenth advantage over the pursuit led by Bastianini and by the time Acosta took over at the end of that lap, the gap grew to 1.3 seconds. Morbidelli then had a go at his compatriot at the start of lap 5, demoting Bastianini to 4th, Bezzecchi taking his turn a couple laps later. Bastianini found himself ahead of his teammate, who was yet to get involved in the battle at the front, but then Marquez and Di Giannantonio dragged him into their paint-swapping match, which dropped the trio one second back. Di Giannantonio’s soft tyres were more helpful at that early stage and it allowed him to harass Marquez at will. Meanwhile, Brad Binder had progressed from 19th on the grid to lead the next group two seconds down the road.
Things were quiet at the front by lap 8, Martin still the quickest of the lot and maintaining his advantage of over a second on Acosta, who in turn dropped Morbidelli a second back. The Italian had compatriots Bezzecchi and Bastianini in tow, with Bagnaia lingering about eight tenths back but was finally able to pick up the pace, while Marquez and Di Giannantonio were embroiled in a quick-fire battle. By the time Marquez was released by a crash for Di Giannantonio on lap 9, the Spaniard was over a second and a half behind Bagnaia. The threat from behind was limited, with the Binder group over two seconds back, so the Gresini man had room to try to chase.
Back at the front, Acosta was picking up the pace and had closed down the gap to almost half a second by the halfway point of proceedings, but Martin promptly got the message and was able to keep the rookie at arm’s length over the next few laps. Morbidelli was circulating 1.5 seconds back, but his closest challenger was now Bastianini, who finally demoted Bezzecchi. Bagnaia had closed in to seven tenths behind his compatriots, with no pressure from behind, as Marquez’s Ducati decided to burst into flames on lap 12 and the Spaniard had to pull over. The next battle was taking place six seconds down the road, where Binder was challenged by Viñales for 7th position, with Zarco and Quartararo completing the top 10 positions.
By lap 17, Martin had grown his gap to Acosta back to one second, the rookie secure in second position as the burgeoning battle between Morbidelli and Bastianini lost them further ground. The Beast was eventually successful at turn 12 and he claimed 3rd position with 11 laps to go but found himself 2.3 seconds behind Acosta. Morbidelli could not retaliate this time around and was left to contend with pals Bezzecchi and Bagnaia for the final 10 laps. With clear air around him, Bastianini quickly picked up the pace to string together a bunch of personal best laps in the mid 1:30s, allowing him to make impressive progress in reeling in the leaders. The gap to Acosta rapidly reduced to 1.5 seconds and things looked promising with 8 laps left, but the Beast threw it all away at the first corner, just after setting the fastest lap of the race.
With Martin and Acosta breathing a sigh of relief at the front, Bagnaia suddenly found himself in podium contention, but having to find a way past Bezzecchi and Morbidelli first. The VR46 rider was easy prey after running wide at turn 10 and Bagnaia claimed 4th with 6 laps to go. Third place was not much more of a challenge, turn 10 once again the scene of the crime, placing Bagnaia on the podium one lap later. Morbidelli and Bezzecchi were quickly distanced and spent the remaining handful of laps keeping each other company.
Martin cruised to victory two seconds ahead of Acosta, with Bagnaia rescuing third and Morbidelli defending 4th from Bezzecchi. Four seconds later, Viñales took a solid 6th place, with Quartararo equalling his best result of the season in 7th place. Binder robbed Zarco of 8th on the final lap, but the Frenchman still scores Honda’s best result of the season. Raul Fernandez completed the top 10 ahead of Takaaki Nakagami, but the results were quickly called into doubt by tyre pressure investigations for Acosta, Binder and Nakagami – which are yet to be concluded.
Martin’s triumph helped him rebuild a more comfortable buffer of 21 points over Bagnaia, while Bastianini and Marquez’s tough day at the office pretty much rules them out of the title battle. The Italian is now 75 points behind the leader, with Marquez 78 points back.
UPDATE
After the race, the FIM Stewards announced they were investigating Pedro Acosta, Takaaki Nakagami, and Brad Binder. The investigation of Acosta revealed that he had a leaking wheel rim, and that therefore Acosta had not broken the tyre pressure regulations.
UPDATE 2
The investigations into Nakagami and Binder were also completed. It was determined that Binder did not infringe the tyre pressure regulations, but Nakagami was below the minimum, and was given a 16-second penalty.
Results:
Pos | No. | Rider | Bike | Time/Diff |
1 | 89 | Jorge Martin | Ducati | 41:04.389 |
2 | 31 | Pedro Acosta | KTM | 1.404 |
3 | 1 | Francesco Bagnaia | Ducati | 5.595 |
4 | 21 | Franco Morbidelli | Ducati | 6.507 |
5 | 72 | Marco Bezzecchi | Ducati | 6.772 |
6 | 12 | Maverick Viñales | Aprilia | 11.330 |
7 | 20 | Fabio Quartararo | Yamaha | 13.203 |
8 | 33 | Brad Binder | KTM | 14.862 |
9 | 5 | Johann Zarco | Honda | 15.151 |
10 | 25 | Raul Fernandez | Aprilia | 21.079 |
11 | 42 | Alex Rins | Yamaha | 33.633 |
12 | 30 | Takaaki Nakagami | Honda | 43.696 |
Not Classified | ||||
23 | Enea Bastianini | Ducati | 30:28.217 | |
37 | Augusto Fernandez | KTM | 29:16.333 | |
36 | Joan Mir | Honda | 18:36.606 | |
93 | Marc Marquez | Ducati | 16:51.947 | |
49 | Fabio Di Giannantonio | Ducati | 12:18.934 | |
41 | Aleix Espargaro | Aprilia | ||
10 | Luca Marini | Honda | ||
43 | Jack Miller | KTM | ||
73 | Alex Marquez | Ducati |
Comments
Very entertaining.
Not so much JM89’s fantastic win, but what went on behind him. I hope the tire pressures don’t dictate the results as it would be a shame for Acosta to lose his well earned second place. It was great to see some hard fort racing with position swapping, an early takedown and even some flames to mix things up. Does anyone know when was the last time so many riders fell off in a dry race?
Hmm
I was expecting them to give Acosta a pass on the tire pressure infraction. I don't want to see this stupid rule impact the podium, but it needs to be either enforced equally and fairly or not enforced at all.
In reply to Hmm by lemmy
Perhaps I missed it, but…
Perhaps I missed it, but when wasn’t it enforced equally and fairly?
In reply to Perhaps I missed it, but… by Matonge
Yesterday.
They gave both KTMs a free pass on the penalty. Acosta's was excused by a slightly cracked rim, they're stil trying to think up another plausible reason for Binder and will announce it next week. On the one hand I think it's great because the tyre pressure rules are total bs, but this seems veeeery dodgy to me.
In reply to Yesterday. by breganzane
A strange species of rule…
A strange species of rule. If a team started a race with a bike which unbeknown to them contravened the technical rules, it's illegal, you're out. Best efforts to be within the rules is enough ? Was it the front or rear ? I think they have the rules for both, dodgy rim could have been either. Couldn't have been that dodgy though which I guess means he couldn't have been much in the red. Therefore he couldn't have gained much because of it. A mm of green is ok and what's 1000cc or 1001cc between friends.
Pedro
Once again first non-Ducati...and a whole lot more. What. A. Ride!
In reply to Pedro by Brian
Glorious to watch.
Speedy is clearly so much better than the bike. The only comparable rider is Sonic (aka Fabio Q.). If only their bikes could give them a chance next year...
In reply to Glorious to watch. by Moto Mondo
Who?
Some of need better rider hints over obscure nicknames?
In reply to Who? by dmensch
He may look more like Slowpoke Rodriguez....
but Pedro Acosta is as fast and fresh as his cousin Speedy Gonzales. Sonic the Hedgehog is blue, like Yamaha, and often seems to have his chest exposed like Fabulous Fabio Quaratarao. And, oh yeah, Sonic is faster than a fast, fast thing.
In reply to He may look more like Slowpoke Rodriguez.... by Moto Mondo
👍
Thanks!
In reply to Pedro by Brian
Sliding doors
If only the kid had resisted the “Factory allure” of KTM and jumped onto a Ducati (ANY Ducati) instead, he’d be enthusiastically rattling the cages of Martin and Bagnaia instead of picking up scraps.
I wonder how he’s feeling about that “multi-year” contract now, with KTM effectively going nowhere this season.
In reply to Sliding doors by Seven4nineR
100%
PA31 committed to a factory that is clearly 100% committed to winning plus they dropped a bag of $$ in his lap (would love to know what his salary is). No brainer. KTM will be the most entertaining team to watch with a gaggle of proven lightening fast race winners on the same bike.
FQ20 simply got a huge bag dropped on him with no better opportunity. No brainer.
Money talks.
Another crazy weekend
This is one of those seasons that wouldn't be believable as script.
I really hope that Martin's…
I really hope that Martin's switch to Aprilia mirrors the Topcat going to BMW. Wishful thinking, I know.
In reply to I really hope that Martin's… by GSP
Jeff Tweedy quote
Right here with you GSP! Where would we be without wishful thinking?!
:)
In reply to I really hope that Martin's… by GSP
Fingers crossed, the…
Fingers crossed, the championship will need it.
I also think the current position that 3 of the 4 Noale bikes find them has in part to do with what those riders will be doing next year.
El Capitan is already onshore trying to find out which airline will provide the most cushy flights to Japan.
Maverick is too busy studying KTM race footage to find ways to self-destruct next year.
And Miguel is trying hard not to injure himself again but the bike is kicking his ass.
Then there’s Raul the almighty. Carrying the brunt of the development workload until the end of the season. God knows what’s that doing to the bike. Poor Jorge…
In reply to Fingers crossed, the… by Matonge
That's very funny,
'cos it's true.
Looks like 2025 will be 2013 all over again with Bagnaia taking the part of Lorenzo. All the riders with the talent to win won't because they'll have inferior machines.
Acosta and the rules???
I'm confused. The stewards decided to not penalize Acosta because his team didn't properly ensure the equipment he was using was in proper working order? Isn't that like something the team is responsible for?
Don't get me wrong- I get that this is hard. Probably a bad o-ring for the valve stem? Or was the rim damaged and not able to hold a proper seal at the bead? I guess I didn't realize there was an exception for violation of the safety rules for failure to ensure one's equipment was in proper working order. Maybe if we're going to pretend these safety rules aren't actually important when it becomes inconvenient to the sport we should just get rid of them all together?
[Note: Yes, I know the above comes off as very harsh and inflammatory. I like Pedro and glad he took second. But I'm sorry, this is the fundamental problem with tire pressure rules that are not strictly enforced. We're told it's because of "rider safety" but then suddenly, we ignore the rules because we realize they are well intentioned, but fundamentally broken. And yes, I actually read the regulations and found no exceptions to the tire pressure rule for malfunctioning equipment.]
In reply to Acosta and the rules??? by synfinatic
I tend to agree. Now the…
I tend to agree. Now the engineers are going back to the drawing board and sharpening their pencils (figuratively speaking 😀) and to design rims that will start leaking a half lap before the end of the race. All that said I’m glad Acosta gets to keep his brilliant 2nd place even though he technically did break the rules.
In reply to Acosta and the rules??? by synfinatic
The regulations only state…
The regulations only state that the tyres must be used within parameters set by the supplier, the pressures are logged and can be checked at any time.
In reply to The regulations only state… by WaveyD1974
"Any riders or teams found…
"Any riders or teams found to be using tyres outside of these operating parameters will be subject to penalties"
Notice the language is "will be subject to penalties" not "may be subject to penalties". In theory, race direction's hands are supposed to be tied in this matter and Acosta given a rather severe penalty because you know how dangerous low tire pressure is.
There is no dispute the tires/tyres were found to be outside of the operating parameters specified by the supplier. There is no carve in the rules for a mechanical issue due to a lack of proper maintenance / quality checks on behalf of the racing team causing the issue that allows the penalties to be waived.
Furthermore, any rider noticed to be riding a machine that is dangerous to themselves or others should be black flagged and stopped from riding on track until they have resolved the matter. So if anything, the penalty for low tire pressure is less severe than other safety issues, but even then, the powers that be realize what a farce the whole thing is and fail to enforce their own rules.
In reply to "Any riders or teams found… by synfinatic
Well, following on from that…
Well, following on from that, they ALL use the tyres outside of the parameters. Also, the decision of the technical director, in consultation with the supplier will be final.
There's no mention in the regs of there even being a minimum pressure limit. Only that the parameters may include pressure. There's nothing in those regs concerning what qualifies as being outside of the parameters. There's nothing about a certain % of laps. There is, as usual with almost all of the tech regs, the technical director as final arbiter on the matter.
So, dodgy or not, corrupt or not, the end result was that the technical director decided the rule was not broken and his decision is final. There could be many reason for that. Example, a lack of confidence in the sensor. In Acosta's case I have no idea beyond hearing about a cracked rim. Very doubtful that it was any real kind of leak because the front would flat after a few big stops. Maybe there was a crack which threw the results into doubt, a lack of confidence in the results. If the results told them he was a mil under, given some doubt, the technical director called it. They didn't fail to punish, they found him not guilty, I guess, beyond a reasonable doubt. They can, it's in the regs.
In reply to Acosta and the rules??? by synfinatic
Am writing about this in my…
Am writing about this in my race roundup.
In reply to Am writing about this in my… by David Emmett
Looking forward to your…
Looking forward to your thoughts David!
In reply to Acosta and the rules??? by synfinatic
negotiationsLet's say you…
negotiations
Let's say you are Michelin and you need these rules pushed through and its very unpopular and you're going to look rubbish in public - you're on the back foot and must make compromises to get your main rule through. You're treading on eggshells, everyone's pissed with Michelin.
Negotiations start about the minimum pressure and the teams say; "we want this and we want that. Now Michelin, you fit your tyres to our wheels, you're the only people who touch anything on our bikes who isn't under our direct control or indeed employed by us. We don't won't to be done if you've damaged OUR wheels while fitting YOUR tyres. If a wheel leaks after you fitted a tyre, we get compensation".
"OK" say Michelin and nod to the rule makers and say "accepted. we can't write that but we will fall over backwards to obviate it if it happens". Everyone is happy. It happend, Pedro is let off.
That's how it happens!
Changing the subject for a moment
They are saying the new soft grippy rear is pushing the front tyre especially when the front is hard as happened this weekend. They were all falling off at I think it was turn 6 just as they let go of the brake.
Two things happen when you let go of the front brake;
1) the forks come up and there is less weight/pressure on the front tyre. This should not make you fall off.
2) when the brakes are on, the front wheel is being straightened up in line with the frame, when the brake is released, the wheel is free to roll and flop inwards and 'start climbing the track'. If a lot of trail has been set for fast corners it won't help slow corners and the wheel is free to flop in. for an example, hold a bicycle by the seat with the front wheel straight ahead. push the seat to the side and watch the steering and front wheel turn in. Now try adding trail by putting the front wheel up on a breeze block and it goes over twice as quick, twice as far and twice as hard!
If the rear tyre kept driving the bike forwards after you let go of the brake it would have the same effect as holding the brake on and the steering/front wheel would keep straight just like the braking. Clearly that isn't happening. So to my mind, the problem is point 2.
The front wheel is free after releasing the brake to 'flop in'. That's why whenever riders fall off on losing the front, the front wheel is tucked in and climbing the track.
They have to run with less trail, if they can and that would cure it. 2mm would probably be enough. Less engine braking wuld help?
In reply to negotiationsLet's say you… by Taffmeister
Option 3)
Or, option 3), when the brakes are let off the hard front un-squishes more than the soft front, resulting in a smaller contact patch than the soft front under similar conditions. The reduced area yields less grip and presto, you're on the floor with the hard where you might not be with the soft.
In reply to Option 3) by Dirt
The sidewall compliance is…
The sidewall compliance is said to be often the biggest difference between a soft and a hard - a soft sidewall structure. The sidewall collapses and the very edge of the tyre is up ABOVE the rim with a soft, the sidewall does a U shape. So, the squidginess isn't on the tyre contact patch but the sidewall, there's more of it and also 'walking' like you say.
The soft will curl right around. If the sidewall of the tyre is stamped '666' then there will be a print on the wheel rim outside face; it will say '999'. I hope that makes sense.
In reply to Acosta and the rules??? by synfinatic
Marca.com is reporting that…
Marca.com is reporting that the tire pressure infraction was for Acosta's rear tire, that Tech3 shared the data showing his bike started the race with the correct rear tire pressure, and that a breakdown at the rim occurred evident by testing with water. Maybe the tire spun on the rim during the race and developed a leak at the bead? Might be an unforeseen event.
Marca link
In reply to Acosta and the rules??? by synfinatic
Assumptions
Are dangerous: What is the rule around a failure by a Dorna/Michelin tyre fitter or equipment?
Dorna supply the TPMS system, incorporated into the valve stem. It will almost certainly be fitted by the Michelin tyre guys. If the leak was in this area how is it possibly fair to penalise Acosta/GasGas?
Jorge was sublime
Jorge was sublime.
Pecco's speeds were weird. Was he trying different mappings?
Morbidelli and Bezz appeared to step aside for Pecco. How many Spaniards can step aside to help Jorge? Answer; none. MM and Acosta at best.
How many Italians can step aside for Pecco? Quite a few! Bezz, Beast, Morbidelli.
Eddie O' Shea, great ride till he broke his wrist. Dixon has blown it now. Great shame.
Jorge!
Finally, an absolutely faultless race from Jorge! The sprint was a head shaker, as he could cruise around the track and win (that's an overstatement, but you get the drift). With all the pressure on him, he rode a stunning race. Let's hope, the last few races are 'zero' mistake races.
Tire Regs: As I've posted before, this is the pinnacle of M/C racing, and it appears the stewards are using a Ouji board, or throwing dice to determine whether to apply the regs, or ignore them.