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Tuesday MotoGP Link Dump: Marini Goes Testing, And That BMW To MotoGP Story

By David Emmett | Tue, 19/Mar/2024 - 12:26

The new system of concessions is aimed at allowing (in particular) Honda and Yamaha to catch up with the European manufacturers. But concessions are only helpful in as far as the factories actually use them. To improve, you have to go testing.

And that is what Honda is doing. According to Motorsport.com, Luca Marini has joined Stefan Bradl and the HRC test team at Jerez twice to test the Honda RC213V, and to help him adapt to riding the Honda. The step from Ducati to Honda is much greater than expected, and the Italian needs to spend as much time on the bike as possible to understand it.

Motorsport reports that Marini will be in Jerez on Tuesday and Wednesday as well, to continue testing alongside Stefan Bradl, as well as the test teams from Ducati and KTM. Yamaha is expected to test with Fabio Quartararo and Alex Rins after Portimão, alongside test rider Cal Crutchlow.

BMW to MotoGP? Maybe not...

There was a brief flurry of excitement yesterday when an interview with Markus Flasch, BMW's new Head of Motorrad, suggested that BMW might be considering an entry into MotoGP. The quotes came at the end of a very long, wide-ranging and fascinating interview with the boss of BMW's motorcycles division in the German magazine Motorrad, which covered BMW's product range, the launch of the new R 1300 GS, how BMW view both their six-cylinder line and the R18 cruiser range, electric bikes, the role of e-fuels, and even the possibility of a smaller capacity boxer GS.

Flasch emphasized the importance of motorsport to BMW, a lesson he had borne out in his previous role as head of BMW's M division. "You can be sure that we will be further strengthening our engagement in motorsport," he said.

He told Motorrad that BMW would be examining the development of the WorldSBK championship, and assessing how it is developing in terms of rules, calendar, and rivals. And he said they were examining whether to expand into other series as well, alongside the EWC endurance championship.

When asked directly about a role in the MotoGP championship, Flasch pointed out that they are already prominent in the series as supplier of safety and medical cars, and circuit bikes. "As head of BMW M, I have attended plenty of races, I know the responsibilities, and we are a brand that is present there. But that we would have to have good reasons for it [racing in MotoGP] is obvious, and so we are examining it closely. I wouldn't rule it out."

Flasch also pointed to other branches of sport BMW are interested in, including an interest in off-road events. The interviewer asked about the Dakar Rally, and Flasch once again reiterated that everything was open. "As I said, I don't want to rule anything out. The fact is that motorsport is important for us, and we are assessing what would make sense for us outside of the WorldSBK championship."

Reading the interview, the comments came at the very end, and were very carefully couched in uncertainty. If BMW were to be considering entering MotoGP, then 2027 would be a good place to start, with the change in the technical regulations. But as the tech rules are yet to be fixed, BMW have little to go on when developing a bike. It is widely accepted that engine capacity will be reduced to 850cc, and the maximum bore probably fixed at 75mm. 

But designing a new engine from scratch is a process that takes several years, especially when up against factories with decades of experience. It is a long-term investment, and would require BMW to commit something in the region of €60 million a year for a period of five years or more, if they want to be sure of success. That is a big gamble, even for a manufacturer the size of BMW.

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It seems like smaller volume manufacturers need a consumer V4

Scrambler
1 year ago
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Aprilia and Ducati sell bikes with some resemblance to a MotoGP layout. Honda and Yamaha have big volumes on their side. KTM at least has luxury VTwins. The BMW 1000RR seems better marketed for less in WSBK.

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In reply to It seems like smaller volume manufacturers need a consumer V4 by Scrambler

Honda needs a consumer V4!

St. Stephen
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1 year ago
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As someone with one VFR or another in my garage most of my adult life I'll always be mad at Honda for discontinuing it. They race that great V4 engine in motogp but it can't be found on the showroom floor.  Aaaargh...

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the consumer V4 was always …

GSP
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1 year ago
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the consumer V4 was always 'on the way' according to MCN! 

I picked a serviceable 2006 VFR with some ratty hard bags for $1500CDN. Good Score. Sold a '93 will over 200000km on the clock. 

 

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In reply to the consumer V4 was always … by GSP

Friend of mine ...

larryt4114
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1 year ago
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... has one with more than 300,000 on the clock. Just routine maintenance. I'm always on the casual lookout for one. Did my fastest time ever on one over my favourite local road once ... :-)

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In reply to Friend of mine ... by larryt4114

I would respectfully suggest…

David Emmett
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1 year ago
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I would respectfully suggest that had more to do with youthful exuberance than the sublime V4 glory of Honda's VFR engine. ;-)

Anyway, my understanding is that the V4 is much more expensive to produce, because of its complexity (two separate cylinder heads, etc), and Honda didn't believe they could build the bike to the appropriate price point. Ducati, on the other hand... 

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In reply to I would respectfully suggest… by David Emmett

Haven't had youthful exuberance ...

larryt4114
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... for a frickin' long time, lol. But you're certainly correct about the cost of production. 

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In reply to Haven't had youthful exuberance ... by larryt4114

^ It was dangled as en route…

Motoshrink
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1 year ago
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^ It was dangled as en route! When was that?! It looked a done deal as I recall. Rea was early at Honda at the time. "Just wait until the V4 CBR1000RR replacement arrives, it should dominate." Oh man, tease-->let down. The 2008-2012 economy impacted it I thought.

Did they get to prototype stage? Patents and design were done as I recall. Yeah?

"Viffers" are a cool does it all reliably bike. I nearly bought a lightly wrecked one to strip naked and customize but couldn't get my brain and taste buds around the side radiators.

Anyone here on an Aprilia RSV4? THAT is a cool bike!I miss it in SBK.  Not equal to rivals on electronics, but damn - you can picture an uber reliable Honda much alike that. 

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In reply to ^ It was dangled as en route… by Motoshrink

V4's, and just V's

St. Stephen
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12 months ago
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'Shrink, I believe I have lusted after the RSV for as long as Aprilia has been making it, but, sadly, have never owned one. Just riding behind one in the mountains was aural ecstasy.

Since selling my last VFR (2010 VFR1200F, a great bike) a few years ago, there are only V-Twins in the garage--but that's not what it sounds like! A 2017 Multistrada, which is a great sport tourer despite the silly beak, and a 2003 RC-51 SP-2.

I'd buy another VFR if Honda made it, although as David and others note that probably isn't going to happen in the brave new world of parallel twins. Maybe the new Daytona? Kinda budget but lots of opportunity for improvements, and of course that triple exhaust note...

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On the Honda V4 subject...

bdouvill241
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1 year ago
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I own this one, despite not living in the South of France anymore :-( I live closer to David now ;-)

https://www.vfrdiscussion.com/index.php?/forums/topic/82421-trying-to-revive-a-1993-vfr-750-incomplete-and-flooded/

I love this bike.

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Europeans

Seven4nineR
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1 year ago
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Have overtaken the Japanese in more than just Motogp, also road bikes.

The R1, GSXR, CBR have near decade long model cycles, where once a 2 year update was the norm. 

The R1 sounds epic but has only had the barest upgrades since 2015. Admittedly very few can approach the limits of what is a near 10 year old superbike but the Europeans have moved the goalposts while the Japanese have done almost nothing. 

All power to their business model if enough people are buying them but it’s a dwindling market as others stretch the performance envelope.

If you build a great bike people will buy it, increasingly the Japanese are not while the Europeans are.

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